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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    Post by donivan65 Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:52 pm

    Now back to the sway bar,,,,,,Since I put that dual line master cylinder in, you need to make up some spacers to lower the sway bar mounts so it runs under it. If you don't have the threaded inserts in the frame, you need to heat up some 3/8" threaded rod into a U- bolt and hook it up into the frame and hang down so you can bolt on some 2" square tubing for a spacer.

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    Post by VANagain Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:19 am

    That is so clever how you "hooked" the threaded rod through the frame. At first I didn't get it, looking at the photos, but then I understood that you can feed the u-bolt in one hole and get it to come out the other. And then you've in effect got two studs coming out!

    Of course us Sportvan owners don't need to bother! Cool
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:38 am

    I got 3 new exhaust systems made up for me, Vanish and VanAgain,,,,,,but someone don't want to share,,,,,,

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    Post by 64chevy Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:50 pm

    No mufflers...??? Is that the latest performance mod for these earlies?
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:59 pm

    Oh,,,,,,,It sounded like you were already running your van that way at Econowest,,,,,,,,,

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    Post by 64chevy Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:54 pm

    Yea..I was. But it was a short pipe and a little noisy inside. And I was leary of a ticket. Maybe I should have passed on spending $75 for a muffler and instead just added some length to the exhaust. At least that would have gotten the sound out the back where the CHP wouldn't have any problem hearing it.
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    Post by VANagain Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:15 am

    Those exhaust pipes look great!! Who's not going to share? I'll set aside some cash for you for next time you visit!
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    Post by donivan65 Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:17 am

    The Blue No Door told me he wants all 3 exhaust systems put on him so he can have headers,,,,,,,but that ain't going to happen,,,,,,all 3 vans get the same exhaust system,,,,,
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    Post by donivan65 Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:37 pm

    So,,,,,,,Vanish brings me a radiator, trans cooler, a 4 way hazard switch, and another years registration,,,,,,,,,,,,I think this is the Blue No Door,,,,,,,,The starter sometimes won't crank so I slap one of those Ford relays on it and cranks great now,,,,,


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    Post by G-Man Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:26 am

    Don, whats left to do to the No Door??? Also get us a picture where you mount that trans cooler
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:06 am

    Ok,,,,slapped the radiator in,,,,new heater hoses,,,,and that cooler,,,,24",,,,,I guess it would be most efficient if I mounted it on the bumper,,,,but somebody would probably complain,,,,I think under the floor, in front of the stop light switch, will be its home,,,,,and I need to modify this 2nd Gen bellypan,,,,since now a Swaybar is all of the sudden in the way,,,,,,


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    Post by wideload Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:17 pm

    Don does the knob and stem come out of the four-way flasher like it does in a headlight switch ? Would the stem from a headlight switch work for a replacement? The switch is on my 65 but there's no knob or stem.

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    Post by donivan65 Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:59 pm

    So where is yours mounted,,,,does it look factory? I seen these mounted next to the fuse box on some SportVans WAY OUT OF THE WAY,,,,and this one has 2 male and 1 female connector on it as to be put into series with the turn signal switch connector. But 1st Gens only have 1 connector, so maybe this is for a 2nd Gen,,,,,and the thing that would of got rid of this would of been if you got the button on the opposite side of the turn signal to press for 4 ways,,,,,,do you have that button on any of the 2nd gens? So I might have to work hard to get these lights to flash,,,,,,and the knob only comes out 1/4", it unscrews and has a bulb in there,,,,,


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    Post by savage Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:35 pm

    Don those end look just like the ones on my 64 & 65's. I got the 2 plugs coming from TS and the 1 from vans harness. My guess is you plug the 2 off flaser in to the 1 on vans harness and the 1 on flasser into the 2 on TS?? How about mouting it on the other side of where the heater switch is??
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    Post by Vanish Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:15 pm

    Man Some One always has Plans for that front Bumper !!!!!! Man we should Tak it Off !!!!!!!!!

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    Now !!!!!!.......................................... But I must say I Like Dons version Better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Post by Scott Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:28 pm

    I'm looking forward to seeing that transmission cooler installed.

    On my road trip I scored an aluminum radiator, but it doesn't have the transmission cooler. I've see one like you have listed on eBay, and have been wondering where to mount it, now I can let you work it out. Very Happy
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:56 pm

    Anything else I can get for you Scott?
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    Post by VANagain Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:51 pm

    My blue van had that exact same flasher switch. It was mounted underneath the dash, very out of sight. I don't have a photo of it installed but in this shot you can see the holes drilled in that support. The two close together holes is where the flasher was mounted, pointing straight down (so you'd pull the knob towards the floor). And this huge relay was mounted further down that support. Not sure if the relay is really necessary. Do you guys have one on yours?

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    And you're right, the plugs simply go inline with the two existing plugs. Just disconnect them and put the flasher's plugs in between. Very clever!


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    Post by savage Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:06 am

    Troy put a trans cooler like that on his ND. He mounted it on the pass side frame behind batt box. Works good and easy to hook up too.
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    Post by G-Man Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:19 am

    Tom I would have never thought to put it that far back??? Thats a very good idea, tucked up out of the way away from all the other crap and short lines too
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    Post by VANagain Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:40 am

    My radiator has the tranny cooler built in because it came with a PowerGlide. But since we are always trying to keep our engines from overheating, common sense would tell us NOT to run the tranny fluid thru it. However, the instructions from Bowtie Overdrive where I bought my rebuilt 700R4 say to run the lines thru the radiator even if you do have an auxiliary cooler. AND they say to run it to the radiator FIRST, which I'm hesitant to do. Why not AFTER it's had a chance to get cooled thru the auxiliary cooler first?

    Here are some excerpts from their lengthy instructions. They are for a 700R4 but should be applicable for any automatic tranny:

    Always run the transmission fluid through a transmission heat exchanger built into your radiator. Most installations don’t even require additional coolers if the radiator system is well designed. When you plan to tow, you should try to over kill this requirement. If you must error while designing a cooling system for your transmission, please do so on the safe side of the equation, on the side of supplying a little more cooling than is needed, rather than not quite enough.

    The number one cause of failure with these transmissions is continuously running the transmission fluid hotter than it is designed to tolerate or frying the fluid during a single catastrophic incident. Considering the cost of a high performance motors and these automatic overdrives, we have never been able to understand why the Hot Rod community in general has such a cavalier attitude about the cooling requirements of these two costly items. We have had professional custom car builders tell us they don’t have room for a cooler in the radiator! We’ve had them tell us their customers don’t want ugly hard lines going to the radiator. Just because you don’t have room for a heat exchanger in the radiator or don’t like the looks of the cooling lines won’t stop their fluid from burning up!

    Use the largest flat tube cross-flow style cooler you can afford. Install this cooler in front of the car’s radiator. Force air to be drawn through this cooler by mounting it as close to the radiator as you possibly can. These types of coolers are only effective when air is actively flowing across the fins and tubes. Make sure your cars cooling system has a fan shroud and the fan is positioned correctly in relationship to the shroud. The size and quality of the cooler is meaningless if air is not forced to remove the heat by flowing over the fins and tubes! If you live in a very cold winter location you will need to install a proper bypass system to control the direction of fluid flow through this cooler in the wintertime. You can avoid over cooling the fluid this way. These bypass systems avoid over cooling by changing which cooling device the fluid flows through last. In the summer time you want all the cooling you can get, so you want the auxiliary cooler last in the system. In cold winter climates you want the radiator water to maintain proper transmission fluid temperature so the fluid needs to flow through the radiator cooler last. Some areas get very cold and stay that way through the entire winter. In these areas you should completely bypass the auxiliary cooler from the system during the winter season.

    Stop the vehicle and open the hood. Feel the return line from your cooling system. When you touch the return line, do so with caution, use a quick, light tap to determine if the line is scolding hot. You should be able to touch this line without burning your hands. Even the outgoing line shouldn’t be hot enough to burn you if you touch it momentarily. If you feel very high temperatures on the return line you should add a cooler. A transmission temperature gauge will help determine what is occurring. If you error on this topic, please do with too much cooling. The temperature gauge is recommended even if you don’t plan to tow. 150 degrees F or less should be indicated with a temperature probe (sender) positioned in the pan. The fluid can be seriously overheated if pan temperatures exceed 150 degrees F. This happens because overheating is occurring in the converter, not the pan.
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    Post by wideload Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:21 pm

    My flasher switch is mounted in the same place as Vanagain's was except it's positioned where you pull the switch toward the driver's seat instead of toward the floor( I think). I'm not sure how it's plugged in but I know that it is because I was going to remove it until I saw the factory plugs on it. I thought it was something that someone had added on. I'll take some pic's and post them when I get back home.

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    Post by donivan65 Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:47 pm

    So does Troy also have a cooler in the trans???? whats the fluid temp? Will it burn his tongue if he licks the return line? Bowtie would have a heart attach if they knew VanAgain is installing one of their precious units on an Early that cant even cool its engine, let alone a transmission,,,,but coolers need airflow to work,,,,here is where this one is going to live,,,,,behind the grille, hanging from the floor with air going all around it,,,,,


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    Post by Scott Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:39 am

    I'm not seeing the line connections on this, but it shows that it was used on an 1985 Van, even a L6 292.

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    Post by Vanish Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:52 am

    Thats a Plate Cooler That's In the Radiator !!!!! So this Cooler is the one that inside the Radiator !!!!!!! NO MUCH TO EM ''


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