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disc brake conversion kits????????????? expert opinions?
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
The paint on my van will do for now. It does need a strip and some body repair and repint but that will happen a little while after I get the mechanical part all worked out.
M1D
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wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
Location : tucson
Registration date : 2009-02-10
- Post n°227
more valves?????
Ok I am ready to install the wilwood adjustable proportioning valve..my rears are locking up easily. Where does the valve go? Before the residuals? afterthem? but still before the T? I am pretty sure I will swap my rear end and go discs too will the valves need to be changed anyif you have 4 discs..
donivan65- Governor
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Location : San Diego, California
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I see them installed in the rear brake line port on the master cylinder or real close to it. I have put them on the frame where the rear brake line meets the rear rubber hose at the rear end. But put it in the rear brake line wherever you can get the fittings to line up without having to redo the brake lines.
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
I finally got a working parking brake and all my lines hooked up. started with the old fashioned bleed method of a hose into a jar of fluid while I hand operated the brake from below, it pumps up after 5 hits so still has air issues. It sounds like the pressure bleeder was the ticket for purging the system from you guys ,, just want to confirm that?
donivan65- Governor
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Or disconnect the front line at the master cylinder and recirc it to the reservoir then pump the pedal and bleed the rears. Then do the fronts the same way. the idea is to have both systems equal, not one of them so air bound that the other one keeps the pressure from building up and letting all the air to be bled out.
wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
Location : tucson
Registration date : 2009-02-10
I have the rears on from the kit not bad. but my mechanic friend is having trouble with the valves. he has switched master to a 69 van from Corvette. ??? he has a 2lb 2 two 10lb residuals and adjustable prortion and some valve he brought from a 60's 4 wheel disc car. plus droped the lines down asize and still not much pedal and the back lock up easy? this is getting ugly. Good news?? the new rear end is posi 4/11 and even my little tires stick out! any advice sarcasim?
donivan65- Governor
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So you got 2 problems,,,,low pedal and rear lock up?
the 10 # are used on some drum brakes,,,,Did you recirc the master cylinder and insure that each line had a good pedal separately,,? And what is the bore of the master cylinder? 1" will have a lower pedal than a 1 1/8", Do you have disks up front? are they the same bore as the rears?
the 10 # are used on some drum brakes,,,,Did you recirc the master cylinder and insure that each line had a good pedal separately,,? And what is the bore of the master cylinder? 1" will have a lower pedal than a 1 1/8", Do you have disks up front? are they the same bore as the rears?
wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
Location : tucson
Registration date : 2009-02-10
THANKS FOR THE REPLY
well I had the Covette m/c in. yhen did the raes to disk and my mechanic said he had problems with it so we are on a 69 Chevy van m/c I wouldnt doubt the bore is bigger?
Went to a smaller brake kine put a 2 lb in the rear on the top of the differential.
out of the M?C he put a prop valve or box from a 7-s 4 wheel disc car. then 2 10 lbs residuals and adj prop valve. He has gone nuts, I tell him hes over doin it, nobody has had to use all this crap. He is know talking 1/8 inch lines. I should know more today maybe photos.. Thanks for the advice.
well I had the Covette m/c in. yhen did the raes to disk and my mechanic said he had problems with it so we are on a 69 Chevy van m/c I wouldnt doubt the bore is bigger?
Went to a smaller brake kine put a 2 lb in the rear on the top of the differential.
out of the M?C he put a prop valve or box from a 7-s 4 wheel disc car. then 2 10 lbs residuals and adj prop valve. He has gone nuts, I tell him hes over doin it, nobody has had to use all this crap. He is know talking 1/8 inch lines. I should know more today maybe photos.. Thanks for the advice.
BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
WDA...Believe me, I too have been going "Nuts" trying to get the pedal a better "Feel!" I have all of the above mentioned items on mine as well! 1" bore vette MC and all! I have not yet downsized the lines though?
B.W.
B.W.
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
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You guys are grabbing at staws
If the system is blead properly, the size of lines WILL NOT change the pedal hight. Smallest lines posible are recomended so the fluid will move at greater volocity thereby reducing internal corrosion and stagnation of the fluid.
Look at the pictures I have provided on earlier pages, That pedal is all your going to get. I am using the inch and one eight bore master cylinder. Your 1" bore master will make the pedal need to travel further then mine does but make the pedal a little easier to push.
You can get a one and one quarter bore master that will give a higher pedal but be hard to push to max and is recomended for use with a booster.
Your mechanic is grabing at staws, you dont need 47 valves and big lines with a small master bore he's going in the wrong direction!
What you see on my van is all you are going to get, if you want better you will have to re-design the leverage of the brake peddal arm itself.
And re-read what Don is saying about bleading your master and system.
All that is needed has been gone over on this post several times and here we are going full circle again.
I had no problems bleading my completly emty system the old schooll jar and hose method because I first made dam sure the master was properly "bench blead" (I think alot of people fall short here and don,t get every dam airbubble out of the master prior to instalation ) Then after installing the master I allowed the system to gravity blead on its own one wheel at at time then I did the pump the pedal thing one wheel at a time always starting with the wheel furthest away from the master (by line distance) and progressing to the clossest to the master, (always always making sure the master is NEVER aloud to go empty, otherwise start over with a bench blead)
M1D
If the system is blead properly, the size of lines WILL NOT change the pedal hight. Smallest lines posible are recomended so the fluid will move at greater volocity thereby reducing internal corrosion and stagnation of the fluid.
Look at the pictures I have provided on earlier pages, That pedal is all your going to get. I am using the inch and one eight bore master cylinder. Your 1" bore master will make the pedal need to travel further then mine does but make the pedal a little easier to push.
You can get a one and one quarter bore master that will give a higher pedal but be hard to push to max and is recomended for use with a booster.
Your mechanic is grabing at staws, you dont need 47 valves and big lines with a small master bore he's going in the wrong direction!
What you see on my van is all you are going to get, if you want better you will have to re-design the leverage of the brake peddal arm itself.
And re-read what Don is saying about bleading your master and system.
All that is needed has been gone over on this post several times and here we are going full circle again.
I had no problems bleading my completly emty system the old schooll jar and hose method because I first made dam sure the master was properly "bench blead" (I think alot of people fall short here and don,t get every dam airbubble out of the master prior to instalation ) Then after installing the master I allowed the system to gravity blead on its own one wheel at at time then I did the pump the pedal thing one wheel at a time always starting with the wheel furthest away from the master (by line distance) and progressing to the clossest to the master, (always always making sure the master is NEVER aloud to go empty, otherwise start over with a bench blead)
M1D
donivan65- Governor
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Sure is a lot of bleeder problems going on,,,,,,I think you will have a hard time blleeding a new or empty brake system by pumping the brake pedal,,,,,even if you use a vacuum pump,,,,like if you are doing the LR wheel,,,,,it sure is easier for the pump to suck air through the seal on the RRwheel rather than going all the way up to the master cylinder for fluid,,,,,but I think doing all 4 AT THE SAME TIME works best,,,,,and by pressure, not vacuum,,,,,thats why I am liking these check valve bleeders,,,,you crack them open and pump the pedal,,,,,everything is pressurized equally,,,,they worked really good on the last van we did. So think about it on your way to buying another gallon of brake fluid,,,,,,,
wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
Location : tucson
Registration date : 2009-02-10
Thanks Don aand m1 Bev-er.... Imagine Trailer Park boys, Bubbles with a few beers/..,, He has now hit the top and is working down or back to 2 valves. they lock up great but the pedal is way down. Now he wants to go back to a single bowl Master.. This is getting silly. whats the difference between corvette master and 69 van??size or bore?
donivan65- Governor
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Well the 67-70 Chevy Van master cylinder only came in 1" bore for manual brakes. And most of the time, Power Brakes use a 1 1/8" bore. And the bigger bore pushes more fluid but has less pressure so you MIGHT need to press harder on the pedal than you would with a smaller bore master cylinder. So thats one consideration, higher pedal or harder to push pedal. You need to check the bore size,,,, see what is in there. But like I said, do each system separate,,,,test it,,,,,undo the front line and recirc it,,,,,then bleed the rear and see if the pedal feels right. And if it acts right, hook up the front line and check it,,,,bleed it,,,and recirc the rear line. You need to be sure that each front and back system work separately,,,,otherwise you got too many different things going on at one time to figure out what the problem is. One more thing,,,,,the instruction sheet for the Chevelle say when you bleed the rear calipers, beat on it with a hammer to dislodge the air bubbles sticking to the walls inside it,,,,,,,,,so obviously, that problem has come up before,,,,,,
wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
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Hi guys.. I have this parts van 68 3/4 ton Chevy I noticed it has a booster or something in the right corner in front of the passengers feet area. What is this would it help me?
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wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
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donny would it do me any good to add it to the 65??
donivan65- Governor
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Aint you got enough problems?????
IF it still works, you just would not have to press so hard on the brake pedal anymore when stopping,,,,,but you got to get your system working right first,,,,,,,,,And I would have to say,,,,4 wheel disks need harder pressing than drums to stop good,,,,,,I don't even know if they ever had something with manual 4 wheel disk brakes, only power,,,,,,,,
IF it still works, you just would not have to press so hard on the brake pedal anymore when stopping,,,,,but you got to get your system working right first,,,,,,,,,And I would have to say,,,,4 wheel disks need harder pressing than drums to stop good,,,,,,I don't even know if they ever had something with manual 4 wheel disk brakes, only power,,,,,,,,
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wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
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yes I have enough problems if this ever gets done I then need to do springs, shackles,bushings Thanks
donivan65- Governor
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We will never run out of things to talk about,,,,,,,,
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
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Location : north saanich
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I do think the earliest corvette 4 wheel discs were manual.
I think there was a shelby mustang and an AC cobra that came 4 wheel manual discs.
M1D
I think there was a shelby mustang and an AC cobra that came 4 wheel manual discs.
M1D
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
The master cylinder Im trying is for a 4 wheel manual disc 79 firebird. I dont have the specs on it tho. Those old Hydrovac brake boosters were common on dump trucks back in the day from what I recall they werent a blessing to keep operating right.
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
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You guys can use the NAPA online parts search tool to find specs on parts.
That 79 firebird also came with four wheel manual disc.
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=3&SubCatId=3
And it used both same master cylinders as the 68 corvette.
In both cases they used a 1" for manual and a 1+1/8" for power brakes
M1D
That 79 firebird also came with four wheel manual disc.
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=430&CatId=3&SubCatId=3
And it used both same master cylinders as the 68 corvette.
In both cases they used a 1" for manual and a 1+1/8" for power brakes
M1D
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
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if you want you can plug any bodys part number in useing the "partsPRO SE under NAPA Catalog on the left hand links.
Its real good. I look up stuff at jegs, summit or where ever then try the number at NAPA and usually get the part way cheeper.
M1D
Its real good. I look up stuff at jegs, summit or where ever then try the number at NAPA and usually get the part way cheeper.
M1D
donivan65- Governor
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And sometimes the push rod hole depth are different on manual and power master cylinders,,,,,,,
wdaguy- Number of posts : 157
Location : tucson
Registration date : 2009-02-10
Digz wrote:The master cylinder Im trying is for a 4 wheel manual disc 79 firebird. I dont have the specs on it tho. Those old Hydrovac brake boosters were common on dump trucks back in the day from what I recall they werent a blessing to keep operating right.