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    Post by michael swann Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:58 am

    KISSfan wrote:
    michael swann wrote:I had one built by Howe Racing. Sent a pic of the old one and a sketch with measurements, had it in less than two weeks.  Works perfectly so far.

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    I'd like one for my van, but I have a powerglide in mine..How much was it if you don't mind my asking.


    Hey man, It was 384.00.  The contact is Rick Yancer.  ryancer@howeracing.com
    If you need the trans cooler it costs a bit more, of course.  Best of luck!
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    Post by KISSfan Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:28 am

    michael swann wrote:I had one built by Howe Racing. Sent a pic of the old one and a sketch with measurements, had it in less than two weeks.  Works perfectly so far.

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    I'd like one for my van, but I have a powerglide in mine..How much was it if you don't mind my asking.
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    Post by michael swann Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:02 pm

    I had one built by Howe Racing. Sent a pic of the old one and a sketch with measurements, had it in less than two weeks. Works perfectly so far.

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    wideload
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    Post by wideload Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:42 am

    Has anyone looked into this one?  

    http://www.championradiators.com/product/CC255  

                                                                                                                               
    It says 6cyl only up to 400hp ?????

                                                                                                                       On another subject, is this thread showing up in reverse order for anyone else ( last post first )? I thought there was a preference setting for this but I can't find it.  It just seems to be this thread. All the rest I've looked at are( last post last ) in the order their posted.

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    Post by billski Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:02 pm

    Thanks for the info guys. Digz, the radiator in the van may be a stock Chevy radiator. It worked well with the 350 once I had it re-cored. It's insufficient for the 383. I contacted SDPC from the link you sent and they don't have the CC6066 anymore. I also contacted Champion and they have the EC6066 so I may go that route. They do offer a 60 day money back guarantee and free shipping. Still checking for other options but may go Champion and hope for the best.
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    Post by Digz Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:23 pm

    Thought it might have been a cross flow in it already. but here's a link to the champion.
    http://sdparts.com/i-21235394-champion-cooling-systems-cc6066-3-row-all-aluminum-replacement-radiator.html
    samsvan
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    Post by samsvan Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:42 pm

    I ended up getting the Cougar radiator because it was cheap. When it takes a crap, I might go this route. http://www.griffinrad.com/load_details11.php?PartID=687&id=CU-70212&key_id=1-70212&year=All&make=Universal%20Fit&model=Street%20Rod
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    Post by Digz Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:28 pm

    Guess I never looked at it. What's in it now?
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    Post by billski Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:50 pm

    Anybody with a V8 Early (64-66) conversion with an aluminum radiator that works and keeps the motor cool? I'm looking into the Champion EC6066, but can't find the CC6066 option. I plan on calling Champion on Monday but still want to pursue other options if they're out there. Just dropped in a 383 stroker motor and van's running too hot. Didn't have that problem with the 350 I just took out, but we're talking about 120hp more than before. Thanks in advance.
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    Post by samsvan Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:24 pm

    If you look at the picture of it, the tank's a little stepped in and rounded off at the top. It'll fit.
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    Post by wideload Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:20 pm

    Stock I6 is 17wx 18h = 306 so the Cougar is 16 x 20 = 320 just a little bigger and all aluminum.

    Is the top tank the same width as the core? Doghouse is only 19 3/4 wide.

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    Post by samsvan Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:14 am

    The core size on the Cougar radiator is 16" H x 20" W
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    Post by samsvan Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:57 pm

    It looks like the core size of that Nova radiator is just over 14" x 18". I'll go to the shop tomorrow and measure the core of the Cougar radiator that's in my van now (with the hole in it). It seems like either one would be an upgrade from the old stocker you have now..
    I know what you mean about the seat height with the 2nd gen doghouse. We cut the humps down to lower my seats. That and the dual master cylinder we installed made it so I can't fit a crossflow in mine.
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    Post by wideload Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:09 pm

    Sam I didn't do the V8 swap, it was that way when I got it. All they did was cut the floor for the V8 and made some extensions for the side of the doghouse. Everything else is the stock I6 stuff.

    I have everything to do the swap right (doghouse, crossflow and mounts,surge tank, and shroud). If I change the doghouse it will raise the height of my seats because the seats will be mounted on the wider part of it. In my 67 with the same seats my head was almost touching the roof and it was a stretch to reach the pedals and I'm only 5'8".

    So just hoping to find a radiator that will fit the 1st gen doghouse and cool the V8.

    What would be better, the Cougar with two rows of 1" or the Nova with 3 rows of 5/8"?

    Digz is right the secret is air flow, I've got a pusher fan in front of the I6 radiator and the mechanical fan behind it. The mechanical fan has a 2" spacer to get it closer to the rad so there's plenty of room for a 4 row if I can find something that fits in there.

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    Post by donivan65 Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:07 pm

    ,,,,so we are talking about a V8  crossflow,,,,,,,and a  6 cyl  downflow,,,,,,




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    Post by Digz Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:13 pm

    This is just for the record. I run a cross flow in my 1st gen with a 350 V8. It is a cheap ass Skip White chinese radiator, 134$. With a 16 inch fan stuck to it, no shroud, no belly pan. Core is a 2 row aluminum that measures only slightly larger than the stock 1st gen 6 banger radiator. I have learned through trial AND error that air flow through the rad and doghouse is the crucial item to consider. Hot or cold weather I have had minimal problems, I learned the fan circuit breaker likes a cool spot and once the fan died on me and had to replace it. I run a 180* thermostat and fan switch is at 185*. Not dissing anybody just that I believe airflow is the answer on any radiator no matter what it is.
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:36 pm

    that cc255 is for 6 cyol novas!! smaller that v-8 stuff~! I have ran countless different 6 & v8 radiators over the past 50 years now- I find the alunimum -WILL!! cool better yet when running in the summers heat 90+++ & in stopped traffic for any lenght of time -You need a V8 alu. radiator,3core or 4 if avail??= with a fan shroud!! Than-- Problems are -OVER!!
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    Post by samsvan Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:23 pm

    Mike,
    Did you switch to a 2nd gen doghouse when you swapped in your V8 ? If so, I found this crossflow from Champion.
    http://www.championradiators.com/product/CC571
    I guess there's a little extra work to switch to a crossflow but if you have the room...
    I'm just going with the Cougar radiator.
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    Post by wideload Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:21 pm

    Twin right now I'm running the stock I6 radiator in front of a stock 283. Only time I have problems is in 90 plus degree weather.

    The CC255 is a 3 row (5/8" tubes) rated for up to 400hp.

    Wouldn't that be an increase in area over the stock I6 radiator?

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    Post by Twinpilot001 Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:43 am

    rest of the story= careful= a V-8 Takes more cooling area!! thats why GM went with a larger =Crossflow design in 1967!


    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcc255+champion.TRS0&_nkw=cc255+champion&_sacat=0
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    Post by wideload Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:39 pm


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    Post by samsvan Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:03 am

    Update... If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. In this case, Champion has discontinued the CC6066 and Raceway Parts, the company I posted the link to, is just one of those online parts flippers that don't actually stock anything. After a week of waiting for a shipping confirmation from them, I called and they said they can't find one.
    So... I called Champion again and asked about the EC 6066 and they told me it has 2 rows of 3/4" tubes. The Cougar radiator that's also an easy install has 2 rows of 1" tubes. Here's the link -
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/230828903261?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
    Sorry for the confusion.
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    Post by samsvan Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:59 pm

    Mike,
    In the "Members Showcase, look at my thread for the '66 Sportvan Deluxe, not the Handibus. You can see the brackets I made and how nice the EC6066 fits. I just used some short self tappers to fasten some aluminum angle to the rad..
    I also forgot to mention that neither the EC or the CC6066 has an internal tranny cooler. This one does.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/230828903261?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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    Post by wideload Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:31 pm

    Samsvan when you get the radiator I'd really like to see some pic's of the mounting brackets on it so I can get an idea about putting one in my van. I'm still running the stock I6 radiator in front of a 283 V8.

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    Post by samsvan Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:02 am

    I ordered it but it hasn't come in yet. I had one of the Cougar radiators in my van already but managed to put a hole through it (don't ask). I'll check it out when it gets here and see what the difference is. Maybe it's 3 rows of 5/8" tubes instead of 2 1" tubes?
    What made me call Champion and ask was that on e-bay, I was seeing some rad's rated for 300 hp and others for 450 hp. The guy I talked to said the CC is just an upgraded core. He also said they were out of them so maybe that's why they're not on their site? I was hoping they had a shroud, fan and relay package for this rad. but no luck. I'm going to have to make my own shroud.

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