by medicmoose Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:28 pmI would love to hear from the folks who have made the swap in these early econolines to a V8. I'd be curious about some of the real challenges and pitfalls to the project. What kind of changes to the frame had to be made, etc, etc. Any information would be really appreciated!!
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Dropping in a crate V8
medicmoose- Number of posts : 29
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No changes to the frame are necessary. You need the larger 240 doghouse and preferably a four core aluminum radiator with a good electric fan. You will need a 9" rear. What year Econo?
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I am curios why you want a V8 when a 240 will give you more torque and HP than a stock 302 if you build it right.
Big W- Number of posts : 3282
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What kind of V8 were you thinking of putting in... Ford, Chevy, Dodge?? small block or big block.? Depending on your choice will determine the amount of fabrication, and what will actually need to be fabricated.
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I assumed he was talking about a 302. A 351 can fit but needs more mods.
medicmoose- Number of posts : 29
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Actually, I don't have the van yet so I can not comment on the year...I am looking for information so that I can choose the right year/model.
VanishingBreed, would you think that going to a V8 would be more work than is necessary if the 6 can put out as much performance as you indicate? I was hoping for some good power, but I also know these vehicles are relatively light on the back end. I was looking at the motors from http://ENGINEFACTORY.COM/Ford_performance_engine_choices.htm
Anyway, thanks for the input and I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions and info as I search out just the right project vehicle and make plans for the work I will do on it.
VanishingBreed, would you think that going to a V8 would be more work than is necessary if the 6 can put out as much performance as you indicate? I was hoping for some good power, but I also know these vehicles are relatively light on the back end. I was looking at the motors from http://ENGINEFACTORY.COM/Ford_performance_engine_choices.htm
Anyway, thanks for the input and I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions and info as I search out just the right project vehicle and make plans for the work I will do on it.
Twinpilot001- Number of posts : 6186
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Nothing like a V-8!! also if u r staying with a small block ford = consider a 347 stroker motor?? just about as cheap as a 302 rebuild -if doing urself.
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I had a 347 stroker in my 66 Econo and while it was a great motor I will never go with a V8 in an Econo again. My 200 ci motor in my 65 sounds like a V8 and puts out more HP and torque than a stock 302 and gets 20+mpg while the 347 stroker got 4mpg. cost for a 347 stroker like mine would be well over $5000.00 and cost for a 200 ci built like mine around $2,000.00. I am putting a Clifford Performance 6=8 motor in my 61 Econo that will have around 100HP more than a stock 302 and a lot more torque too. Cost for the 240 around $2400.00. A lot of people want a V8 just to be able to say I have a V8 or because they don't know that a straight six can put out a lot of power. A 240 can get 600+ HP and 800 ft. pounds of torque. Clifford Performance races their 240 equipped Mustangs and Falcon against V8s all of the time and often win by up to 10 car lengths. I would try to get a 67 Econo if possible but if not a 65/66. The 67 has a dual bowl master cylinder while the other years have a single bowl.medicmoose wrote:Actually, I don't have the van yet so I can not comment on the year...I am looking for information so that I can choose the right year/model.
VanishingBreed, would you think that going to a V8 would be more work than is necessary if the 6 can put out as much performance as you indicate? I was hoping for some good power, but I also know these vehicles are relatively light on the back end. I was looking at the motors from http://ENGINEFACTORY.COM/Ford_performance_engine_choices.htm
Anyway, thanks for the input and I'm looking forward to everyone's opinions and info as I search out just the right project vehicle and make plans for the work I will do on it.
medicmoose- Number of posts : 29
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That is some great information. I guess I have a little more homework to do before I jump in with both feet.
When did the Econolines get the engine cross member that is supposed to be better all around?
When did the Econolines get the engine cross member that is supposed to be better all around?
kgdb- Number of posts : 266
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Well, I am going to respectfully disagree with the 6 cylinder crowd. Over the last 35 years of doing this car gig I have known many people that have spent big dollars on inline 6's, drove in many of them and in fact drove and raced in a few over the years. No disputing that a 6 (200, 240 or 300) can make some power but they sound hideous. Now hang on a minute.....most people will state that they "sound just like a V8" and while they do sound better then their stock counter parts the difference has to be heard at the end of the exhaust and at idle or just over. At the hood and or doghouse, yep you guessed it, 6 cylinder. Under throttle it is very easy to tell these are 6 cylinders, they have that tell tale sound, like a swarm of bumble bee's. People always compare to a "stock 302" but what 302 are they referring to? Grandpa's emission motor in his Granada? How about a nice 5.0l ? It is incredibly easy to put more power then you need into a 302 and at a really affordable price. Like one of the other posters in this thread said, you just cant beat a V8 ! 
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Also .. any Econo Can Get a V8 .. But to make your Life a Little easier ... Get one with the Big six .. 240 !!! Thats the same crossmember .. That you will need to hang a V8 in a van .. I do Believe 65 to 67 !!!
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kgdb wrote:Well, I am going to respectfully disagree with the 6 cylinder crowd. Over the last 35 years of doing this car gig I have known many people that have spent big dollars on inline 6's, drove in many of them and in fact drove and raced in a few over the years. No disputing that a 6 (200, 240 or 300) can make some power but they sound hideous. Now hang on a minute.....most people will state that they "sound just like a V8" and while they do sound better then their stock counter parts the difference has to be heard at the end of the exhaust and at idle or just over. At the hood and or doghouse, yep you guessed it, 6 cylinder. Under throttle it is very easy to tell these are 6 cylinders, they have that tell tale sound, like a swarm of bumble bee's. People always compare to a "stock 302" but what 302 are they referring to? Grandpa's emission motor in his Granada? How about a nice 5.0l ? It is incredibly easy to put more power then you need into a 302 and at a really affordable price. Like one of the other posters in this thread said, you just cant beat a V8 !
Agree 100%. How many 6cyl do you see at the track? 0..You cannot claim a 302 has low hp, what does a stock 6 have? You can put half the money into a 302 and get twice the power. There must be a reason why funny cars and top fuel don't run 6's
Get a 302 5.0 from a stock mustang it will run strong and fast without adding a dime..and you won't have to explain every time someone ask's did you did you go with a 6 when you could have had a V8
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A stock 302 from the 60s and 70s puts out around 185 hp, my 200 puts out over 225 with more torque. Torque is more important than HP. We are not talking about funny cars or dragsters. Like I said Clifford Performance races their straight sixes "at the track" all of the time as do the guys from Classic Inline Sixes against V8s and win by up to 10 car lengths. It is also incredibly easy to build an inline six to have more power than you need too like 800 hp. here is my 200 ci in my 65
kgdb- Number of posts : 266
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Late 60's, early 70's 2V 302 (F) was about 210 hp, the late 60's 302 (J) was aprox 230 - 250 hp all day long. An early 90's GT boasted 230 + hp and gobs of tree trunk pulling torque. Each to their own but make mine a V8 any day.
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302
310 lbs./ft. @ 2,800 RPM
(1968)
295 lbs./ft. @ 2,600 RPM
(1969-71)
242 lbs./ft. @ 2,000 RPM
(1972-73)
My 200 has more than the 69-73 and my 240 will have close to 400
310 lbs./ft. @ 2,800 RPM
(1968)
295 lbs./ft. @ 2,600 RPM
(1969-71)
242 lbs./ft. @ 2,000 RPM
(1972-73)
My 200 has more than the 69-73 and my 240 will have close to 400
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My 347 stroker that cost a ton of money to build and a bunch more to drive
My 200 at less than 1/3 the cost:
My 200 at less than 1/3 the cost:
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You can hear the 347 stroker a little in this video on Truckin Magazines wesite.
http://www.truckinweb.com/videos/01/2007-route-66-rendezvous-1966-ford-econoline-video/4867/index.html
http://www.truckinweb.com/videos/01/2007-route-66-rendezvous-1966-ford-econoline-video/4867/index.html
EconoCarl- Number of posts : 1109
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Are you comparing apples to bananas? Here are some specs:
240 Engine Specifications
1963 - 1965 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 150 @ 4000 rpm
Max Torque - 234 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
1966 - 1967 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 155 @ 4200 rpm
Max Torque - 239 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
1968 - 1971 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 150 @ 4000 rpm
Max Torque - 234 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
In my opinion Medicmoose is looking for info or ideas on putting a V8 in an Econoline. I don't think he was trying to start a debate on 6 or 8!
240 Engine Specifications
1963 - 1965 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 150 @ 4000 rpm
Max Torque - 234 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
1966 - 1967 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 155 @ 4200 rpm
Max Torque - 239 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
1968 - 1971 with 1 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 150 @ 4000 rpm
Max Torque - 234 @ 2200 rpm
Stroke - 3.18
Bore - 4.0
Compression - 9.2
Firing Order - 153624
In my opinion Medicmoose is looking for info or ideas on putting a V8 in an Econoline. I don't think he was trying to start a debate on 6 or 8!
EconoCarl- Number of posts : 1109
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While I do not have a 302 in my Econoline, I have been paying close attention to the posts and threads over the last few years. To add to what Vanish replied earlier: If you don't have a van yet you should look for a 65-67 year model, they have the engine crossmember (that needs modification). The 240 and Heavy Duty 170s have the 9 inch rear end already in place. The 240s have the corret bell housing for a V8. The 240 also has the better throttle cable setup. All of the 65-67 models (170 and 240) have the larger doghouse and the 'hump' at the lower rear of the doghouse to accommodate the bigger bell housing needed for the V8.
Good luck finding a van and with the intall. From what I understand the 302 offers better gas mileage than the 240 in stock form, and it is hard to beat the sound of an early stock Mustang GT with a 302!
Good luck finding a van and with the intall. From what I understand the 302 offers better gas mileage than the 240 in stock form, and it is hard to beat the sound of an early stock Mustang GT with a 302!
Twinpilot001- Number of posts : 6186
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here u go and if doing the build ur self?? its cost effective . http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBF-FORD-SCAT-347-FORGED-ROTATING-ASSEMBLY-FT-30-/330608445978?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4cf9cc8a1a
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I am comparing a built 240 to a 302. He was looking at a crate 302 at a price of $6000.00+ and I am saying he can get great performance and all the power he needs with the built 240 for a third of the price.
medicmoose- Number of posts : 29
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All of this is great information and everyone has given me lots to think about...thanks for the input!! It's nice to come to these forums and be able to rely on the many years of experience that are represented here!!!!!!
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There is not a better site on the internet than this one when it comes to earlies.medicmoose wrote:All of this is great information and everyone has given me lots to think about...thanks for the input!! It's nice to come to these forums and be able to rely on the many years of experience that are represented here!!!!!!
Twinpilot001- Number of posts : 6186
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6 grand for a crate motor ?? Wow - Ibuilt my 383 all forged stroker chev for less than 2K installed. Whole van with paint & interior wont be 6,000.bucks with the purchase price added in. Im amazed as i just always thought we all mostly were doing these vans with sweat , blood & tears as our hobbies as we wanted to do them. Not just buying & having the stuff done ?? WOW!! I hope all us old school guys live another 100 years so we can get some training out there - like what this forum is trying to do =my 2 cents. dont mean to offend anyone -just amazed!
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if you click on the link he posted the price for a 302 crate motor is $6995.00 and the 347 stroker is $8200.00. I was quoted $11,000.00-13,000.00 by a builder here for the 347 stroker in Vanishing Breed.
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