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Post by dodge man Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:15 pm

[img]http://i41.servimg[url=https://servimg.com/view/17715767/92]front axle flip 00214.com/u/f41/17/71front axle flip 00314/57/67/00114.jpg[/img][/url]got the axle fliped today, not hard just had to move some brake lines for clearance, tomorrow i'll start on the rear
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Post by dodge man Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:18 pm

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Post by dodge man Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:01 pm

anyone know the pinion angle i have to reset it when i lower the rear i think its 6 degrees? thanks for any help,
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Post by Space Truckin Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:41 pm

VERY COOL!!!! bounce bounce bounce Also a very good looking Dodge Smile
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Post by dodge man Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:48 pm

thanks man,
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Post by Stoopid john Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:33 pm

Most leaf spring cars run 5-7* but i would check it before you start.

I would like to see how you bolted the axle down. Any issue with the sway bar? Did you put the leaves back in the springs?

Looks good!!
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Post by dodge man Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:50 pm

i used summit spring purches 720025 and longer u bolts and i did put back the 2 leafs i took out, i need shorter shocks and the sway bars hooked back up, i'll take some pictures tomorrow i have to adjust the toe, then start on the rear.
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Post by Big W Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:39 pm

Looking at that picture, I think I would leave the rear where it is. The rake you have now on that front end looks awsome.
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Post by Gothboy Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:27 am

Lookin REALLY good man! Smile
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Post by RodStRace Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:21 am

You want the axle to be 2-5 degrees down from the trans. This allows the axle to lift during acceleration and even out.
The offset means that the needle bearings inside the U-joints move a wider area, not just slightly twist back and forth. This spreads the load, wear and lube.
Just remember that it is the angle relation of the trans and axle, not the ground. In the drawing below, they give examples of a 4 link and a ladder bar.
You want to use the ladder bar settings. Measure your angle on the trans (left column). Then measure the axle angle (middle column). What you want is to angle the axle down slightly (the angle in the third column).

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Post by dodge man Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:55 am

thanks so much rod, i'll use this chart when i get to dropping the rear end, i still have a few bugs to straighten out on the front axle flip, the front axle i adjusted to have a slight positive caster so when i drop the rear the front axle will have about 4 degree positive caster, this should make the steering wheel come back to center after turning a corner,
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Post by Stoopid john Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:29 am

Spec on the caster is 6* the more the better
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Post by dodge man Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:05 am

i can always change the caster angle by loosening the u bolts and turning the axle that way when i'm done lowering the rear i can recheck the front end and make adjustments as needed, when done i'll weld the purches to the axle, i have more work to do on the front first, i need to pull the lower part of the radiator toward the front of the van, i need more clearance so the lower rad. hose does not hit the axle, i'll most likely cut off the bump stops,


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Post by dodge man Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:08 am

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Post by dodge man Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:10 am

you can see in the pictures i need to reroute the brake lines, theres quit a lot of work involved, but i think its worth it,
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Post by Stoopid john Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:20 pm

How long are your new u-bolts?

Looks good!
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Post by dodge man Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:11 am

the only ones advance auto had in stock were 12'' you could use 6'' long
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Post by dodge man Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:41 pm

UPDATE, test drove it and it handled like shit, tires rubbed on turns , no lower shocks anywere, you could feel every bump, so i flipped it back, this time i took out the two center leafs and it sits lower than before, and handles great, NO AXLE FLIPING FOR ME !
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Post by Space Truckin Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:25 pm

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Post by Stoopid john Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:15 pm

When i removed 3 leafs out of the front of mine, the tires rubbed but that's with my 18's. Looked very cool but .....

I know i can't get away with the flip and my wheels.
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Post by Gothboy Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:39 am

That's a bummer bro. Not every mission is a success I suppose. :/
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Post by dodge man Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:34 pm

o well i tried, nothing ventured nothing gained, i guess
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Post by Gothboy Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:14 pm

You could always try another idea. 70's style 14" mags with REALLY wide low pro tires all around? I used to see that alot on ca vans here and 70's mustangs. Along with the missing leaf spring leaves that might work? Other than re-arching your springs I can't really think of much else to help you achieve "that" stance. Smile
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Post by dodge man Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:48 pm

yeah i have 14'' wheels on it now, i'm happy with it now, its a little lower in the front now, i might replace the 2 springs in the rear i took out and remove the 2 center leafs,that would make it sit lower all around, i liked the look of the flipped axle but it would not work for me,
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Post by dodge man Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:06 pm

RodStRace wrote:You want the axle to be 2-5 degrees down from the trans. This allows the axle to lift during acceleration and even out.
The offset means that the needle bearings inside the U-joints move a wider area, not just slightly twist back and forth. This spreads the load, wear and lube.
Just remember that it is the angle relation of the trans and axle, not the ground. In the drawing below, they give examples of a 4 link and a ladder bar.
You want to use the ladder bar settings. Measure your angle on the trans (left column). Then measure the axle angle (middle column). What you want is to angle the axle down slightly (the angle in the third column).

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i'm adjusting my angle now, does it matter that i have the rear of the van raised on jack stands much higher then the front while i adjust the pinion angle, since my mesurements are from the trans seal and the rear end yoke?

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