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Nieuwlaat

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engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:33 am

A few weeks ago I bought a Falcon Station Bus. According to the Title and VIN nr. the engine should be a L6 170 ci. But the engine installed is much larger than the 170 in my pick-up.
I tried to identify the engine with help of fordsix.com and according to their specifications the engine could be a 250 ci. But I read on many sites on Internet that in the Econolines an option for a 240 engine was available. I cannot find any tag on the engine block which can give me the answer. Therefor my question; is there anybody who can tell me how I can identify if the engine installed is a 240 or a 250.
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jrdunn96

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Re: engine identification

Post by jrdunn96 on Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:25 am

Congratulations and welcome!
It sounds like you are the victim(or beneficiary) of an "engine swap. That happens a lot. These things are so old that people made them work with whatever they had. Shoot us some pictures. There are guys on here that can tell you what Ford six it is just by smell(kidding). Some of us need a little more info. For instance, is the intake manifold cast into the head? That would make it one of the Falcon Sixes(140, 170, 200 or 250). The 250 is larger but only slightly. I'm not sure I could tell at a glance.

Jim
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Nieuwlaat

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Re: engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:34 am

Thanks, I prefer the van to be as original as possible. Ford Econolines are very rare in Europe, I think there are less than 20, therefor I don't like the "engine swap".
Now I have to face a new challange, how to get pictures on this forum.
Iam from an older generation and not familiar with those computer things.
I will check by tomorrow if the intake manifold is one cast with the head.
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Re: engine identification

Post by Vancy65 on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:04 am

Congratulations, and welcome from Germany. I am one of the 20.
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jrdunn96

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Re: engine identification

Post by jrdunn96 on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:37 am

Nieuwlaat wrote:Thanks, I prefer the van to be as original as possible. Ford Econolines are very rare in Europe, I think there are less than 20, therefor I don't like the "engine swap".
Now I have to face a new challange, how to get pictures on this forum.
Iam from an older generation and not familiar with those computer things.
I will check by tomorrow if the intake manifold is one cast with the head.

Yeah, me too. I certainly understand the desire to keep it original. That is a luxury I can't afford, although I admire it. I suspect I really couldn't afford it if I were in Germany. I don't know how you guys do it. I know we Americans are spoiled by the availability of parts, although we gripe about it alot. I know you have advantages that we don't also. I don't know how many of those relate to vintage vans. Here is some help on posting photos.

http://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t119-posting-pictures-using-forum-s-servimg

Jim
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Nieuwlaat

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Re: engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:56 am

I checked this morning and the intake manifold is ane cast with the head.

There are no parts available in Europe, we have to buy all of it in USA. But therefor it is very important that we know what is the correct part, the shipping costs and import duties are very high.
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Nieuwlaat

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Re: engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:16 am

I tried to find more information on Google and find some pictures of a 240 block and it showed that the oilfilter was located a little bit to the right of the middle of the block.
To my engine the oilfilter is on the left side of the block.
My engine has 5 core plugs and a 4 bolt waterpump.
Can I be sure, with all this information, that my engine is a 250???
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jdlaugh

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Re: engine identification

Post by jdlaugh on Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:52 am

I found this:

Identification can be made with a quick glance at three items on the motor, the water pump, number of freeze plugs, and the block code (found on the road draft tube mounting boss). The only trick is determining the difference between a 170ci 4 main and a 200ci 4 main, if there is no block code, as both engines had a three bolt water pump and three freeze plugs. The only way I know of for sure, is to verify the bore size.

250ci -7 main: 4 bolt water pump and 5 freeze plugs.
200ci -7 main: 3 bolt water pump and 5 freeze plugs.
200ci -4 main: 3 bolt water pump and 3 freeze plugs.
170ci -4 main: 3 bolt water pump, 3 freeze plugs, and a T code (or no code).
144ci -4 main: 3 bolt water pump, 3 freeze plugs, and an N code.


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Nieuwlaat

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Re: engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:23 am

For sure, it is not a 144 or 170 because there are 5 freeze plugs and the engine is larger than the 170 in my pick-up.
As far as I can see (the engine is mounted in the van) the waterpump as 4 bolts.
But the intake manifold is one cast with the head.

Now Iam more confused than before.
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jrdunn96

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Re: engine identification

Post by jrdunn96 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:31 am

Well, here is a picture of a 7 main 200 cid.

I'm pretty sure(not enough to argue though) that a 250 has an intake that is cast with the head unless you have an OZ(aussie) or Classic Inlines head. I'll go down to the shop and see if my 200 has 3 or 4 bolts on the water pump if that'll help.

Jim
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Re: engine identification

Post by Seth G on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:34 am

Nieuwlaat wrote:As far as I can see (the engine is mounted in the van) the waterpump as 4 bolts.
But the intake manifold is one cast with the head.


Ok, it's a 250.

The 250 head did not have a bolt on intake, unless it was made in Australia. The physical differences between a 144-200 and a 250 are that the 250 has:

4 bolt water pump
Low mount starter
SBF bell housing
It is wider at the oil pan and approx 1.5" taller to accommodate the longer stroke
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jrdunn96

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Re: engine identification

Post by jrdunn96 on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:41 am

Thanks Seth! I was hoping someone with more knowledge than me would chime in.

Jim
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Nieuwlaat

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Re: engine identification

Post by Nieuwlaat on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:56 am

Thanks to all. Iam almost sure the engine is a 250 ci.
Tomorrow at daylight I will check again the number of bolts from the waterpump.
If there are 4 it is a 250.
If not it is a 200 ci 7 main.

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