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King Pins & Bushings
PolarBear2- Number of posts : 183
Location : SoCal
Registration date : 2008-05-16
- Post n°1
King Pins & Bushings
Which are better, nylon or brass bushings for the king pins?
PolarBear2- Number of posts : 183
Location : SoCal
Registration date : 2008-05-16
- Post n°2
Re: King Pins & Bushings
Nobody has an opinion????????
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
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I prefer the bronze type,,,,,but sometimes after you press them into the spindle, you might have to hone them out to get the kingpins to fit. As for those nylon ones,,,,,thats what you have for bushings in your door hinges and you know how that turns out......
Kakster- Number of posts : 236
Location : Torrance, CA
Registration date : 2008-05-18
- Post n°4
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I am no expert but I found at a Ford site the following relating to the difference:
"Now you're ready to install the kingpin bushings. If you're using the plastic bushings, you should be able to tap them into the spindle using a block of wood. The bronze bushings will need to be pressed in and reamed to fit the kingpin and is a job best left for the machine shop."
If you are doing it your self the nylon sounds easier.
"Now you're ready to install the kingpin bushings. If you're using the plastic bushings, you should be able to tap them into the spindle using a block of wood. The bronze bushings will need to be pressed in and reamed to fit the kingpin and is a job best left for the machine shop."
If you are doing it your self the nylon sounds easier.
Kakster- Number of posts : 236
Location : Torrance, CA
Registration date : 2008-05-18
- Post n°5
Re: King Pins & Bushings
Speaking of king pins, I notice some play on the driver side spindle once I had it opened up to install the disc brakes. Do you guys know how much play there should be and if I too will need to do what it seems Polar Bear is doing?
PolarBear2- Number of posts : 183
Location : SoCal
Registration date : 2008-05-16
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I'm with you Don, brass/bronze, is the way to go. I think I'll order a set to have on hand.
If you've got "play" in your king pins, they need replacing. Period. Always do both sides also. Just MHO.
If you've got "play" in your king pins, they need replacing. Period. Always do both sides also. Just MHO.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
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Re: King Pins & Bushings
If you jack up the front axle and push the tire in at the top and bottom there should be no movement at the area where this spindle meets the I beam axle. And sometimes changing the bushings that are pressed into the spindle are not easy. The shaft is sometimes rusted into the axle and after you press the bushings into the spindle, they are too small to allow the shaft to slide into place. And sometimes its no problem. You just need to have a back up plan to take the spindles to a machine shop and they can ream out the bushing so that the shaft will fit correctly on their connecting rod resizing machine. They could also just do the whole job if you bring them the kingpin kit and spindles.
gp70- Number of posts : 162
Age : 68
Registration date : 2008-05-22
- Post n°8
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When I did mine on my 70, I took the kit and the spindles right up to a local machine shop and had them do the whole thing. I told them that it was for a classic and to try to do an extra nice job, They were pretty sweet when I got everything back assembled. I haven't heard anyone mention the shims. Pay close attention to them to get them in correctly. They are so thin that test fitting them and getting the right number in place takes a couple of tries. I took me 2 or 3 tries before I was 100% satisfied with the fit, but the extra effort was worth it.
PolarBear2- Number of posts : 183
Location : SoCal
Registration date : 2008-05-16
- Post n°9
Re: King Pins & Bushings
I've used a wheel cyl hone to machine new bushings when their too tight for the new pins.
Kakster- Number of posts : 236
Location : Torrance, CA
Registration date : 2008-05-18
- Post n°10
Re: King Pins & Bushings
I checked out Rockauto and NAPA online and they both had king pin sets for about $65 but the "bushing" is nylon. I wonder if you guys think this price is reasonable for the complete set and if the metal bushings are best where can they be purchased?
Kakster
Kakster
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
- Post n°11
Re: King Pins & Bushings
There are alot of heavy trucks that use nylon king pin bushings,
I dont think id be afraid of them.
I dont think id be afraid of them.
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- Post n°12
King pins
I may be a little late in my reply, but when I did my 65 chevy 25 years ago they had this new thing called nylon bushings. I tried them with in 5000 miles the spindles had play in them again. They were easier but they did not last. A couple of years later I had them replaced on my 70 ford with brass bushings and drove it for another 15000 miles with no play at all. It was worth the extra cost. Hope this helps.
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I've always just bought the pin kits with the brass/bronze bushing for my A-vans. Always had good service.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
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Kakster- Number of posts : 236
Location : Torrance, CA
Registration date : 2008-05-18
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I just R&Red the ones on my 67. I didn't look exhaustively but I only saw nylon bushings available. Got the AC/Delco set from Rockauto. The ones in the van were nylon, and in the Chevy factory manual they describe glass reinforced plastic bushings. The passenger side was still solid after 41 years, but the driver side had some slop which is why I did the R&R.
Next I can progress on the M1D disc brakes (finally)
Next I can progress on the M1D disc brakes (finally)
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
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I wonder if they are the same as the Dodge pins. What's the P/N for the Chevys?
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
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That would be Moog 8494 B for Bronze, N for Nylon. The Autozone numbers above are McQuay Norris. These will become real rare if all they fit is our Chevy Vans,,,,,,,
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The Dodge use a different p/n. 8453 B or N. That's a MOOG number.
wacko- Number of posts : 423
Location : Chilliwack, BC Canada
Registration date : 2008-05-20
- Post n°20
Re: King Pins & Bushings
As I am a beginner, would I be able to install the nylon bushings myself with non-specialized tools? I need to get the king pins changed in order to pass my safety inspection. Originally I was going to have the mechanic do this but with my ever increasing confidence and the help from the fine people here I think I may do it myself. Plus the mechanic was going to charge me 700.00 to do it including parts.
BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
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That's simply "Outrageous"!!! $700 bucks!
B.W.
B.W.
VANagain- Number of posts : 1048
Location : San Diego, CA
Age : 63
Registration date : 2008-05-16
- Post n°22
Re: King Pins & Bushings
Which did our vans come with? Nylon or bronze? I know one of my 65's has nylon in it now and they are tight.
Kakster- Number of posts : 236
Location : Torrance, CA
Registration date : 2008-05-18
- Post n°23
Re: King Pins & Bushings
I don't know the history of my van prior to me owning it, but when I recently R&Red the king pins, the old ones and new ones were plastic. Additionally, in the 1968 Chevy Truck Factory Service Manual they describe the steering knuckle bushings as "splite type floating glass filled polycarbonate bushings on all axles except the 9000 LB and 11,000 LB axles which have Delrin". Though not Nylon, polycarbonate and Delrin are plastics, not metal.
As for a home mechanic doing the repair, I found it not so tough. If you happen to be doing a disc brake conversion, you are already elbow deep into that part of the van anyway so it is a good tome to be fixing all those 40+ year old parts anyway.
Kakster
As for a home mechanic doing the repair, I found it not so tough. If you happen to be doing a disc brake conversion, you are already elbow deep into that part of the van anyway so it is a good tome to be fixing all those 40+ year old parts anyway.
Kakster
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°24
Re: King Pins & Bushings
The last 3 axles I took apart had nylon bushing,,,,so i would have to say thats what they come with. And a lot of people would replace them with bronze when they go bad. Its getting to the bushings that can be hard. Those bolts on the steering knuckles are sometimes rusted in place and so can be the kingpin shaft.
RipVanArkie- Moderator
- Number of posts : 987
Location : Central Arkansas
Registration date : 2008-05-13
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