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    Post by PolarBear2 Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:07 am

    Which are better, nylon or brass bushings for the king pins?
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    Post by PolarBear2 Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:24 pm

    Nobody has an opinion????????
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:53 pm

    I prefer the bronze type,,,,,but sometimes after you press them into the spindle, you might have to hone them out to get the kingpins to fit. As for those nylon ones,,,,,thats what you have for bushings in your door hinges and you know how that turns out......
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    Post by Kakster Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:57 pm

    I am no expert but I found at a Ford site the following relating to the difference:

    "Now you're ready to install the kingpin bushings. If you're using the plastic bushings, you should be able to tap them into the spindle using a block of wood. The bronze bushings will need to be pressed in and reamed to fit the kingpin and is a job best left for the machine shop."

    If you are doing it your self the nylon sounds easier.
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    Post by Kakster Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:02 am

    Speaking of king pins, I notice some play on the driver side spindle once I had it opened up to install the disc brakes. Do you guys know how much play there should be and if I too will need to do what it seems Polar Bear is doing?
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    Post by PolarBear2 Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:33 am

    I'm with you Don, brass/bronze, is the way to go. I think I'll order a set to have on hand.

    If you've got "play" in your king pins, they need replacing. Period. Always do both sides also. Just MHO.
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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:38 am

    If you jack up the front axle and push the tire in at the top and bottom there should be no movement at the area where this spindle meets the I beam axle. And sometimes changing the bushings that are pressed into the spindle are not easy. The shaft is sometimes rusted into the axle and after you press the bushings into the spindle, they are too small to allow the shaft to slide into place. And sometimes its no problem. You just need to have a back up plan to take the spindles to a machine shop and they can ream out the bushing so that the shaft will fit correctly on their connecting rod resizing machine. They could also just do the whole job if you bring them the kingpin kit and spindles.


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    Post by gp70 Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:07 pm

    When I did mine on my 70, I took the kit and the spindles right up to a local machine shop and had them do the whole thing. I told them that it was for a classic and to try to do an extra nice job, They were pretty sweet when I got everything back assembled. I haven't heard anyone mention the shims. Pay close attention to them to get them in correctly. They are so thin that test fitting them and getting the right number in place takes a couple of tries. I took me 2 or 3 tries before I was 100% satisfied with the fit, but the extra effort was worth it.
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    Post by PolarBear2 Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:40 pm

    I've used a wheel cyl hone to machine new bushings when their too tight for the new pins.
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    Post by Kakster Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:20 pm

    I checked out Rockauto and NAPA online and they both had king pin sets for about $65 but the "bushing" is nylon. I wonder if you guys think this price is reasonable for the complete set and if the metal bushings are best where can they be purchased?

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    Post by Digz Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:55 pm

    There are alot of heavy trucks that use nylon king pin bushings,
    I dont think id be afraid of them.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:58 am

    I may be a little late in my reply, but when I did my 65 chevy 25 years ago they had this new thing called nylon bushings. I tried them with in 5000 miles the spindles had play in them again. They were easier but they did not last. A couple of years later I had them replaced on my 70 ford with brass bushings and drove it for another 15000 miles with no play at all. It was worth the extra cost. Hope this helps.
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    Post by Guest Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:01 am

    I've always just bought the pin kits with the brass/bronze bushing for my A-vans. Always had good service.
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:41 pm

    I guess Nylon is good if you don't drive much and they are easier to install. Bronze is better but can be harder to install. But you got choices,,,,,

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    Post by Kakster Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:19 pm

    I just R&Red the ones on my 67. I didn't look exhaustively but I only saw nylon bushings available. Got the AC/Delco set from Rockauto. The ones in the van were nylon, and in the Chevy factory manual they describe glass reinforced plastic bushings. The passenger side was still solid after 41 years, but the driver side had some slop which is why I did the R&R.

    Next I can progress on the M1D disc brakes (finally) Very Happy
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:03 pm

    It looks like the Kingpins only fit our vans. Autozone looks like they have both types.




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    Post by Guest Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:48 am

    I wonder if they are the same as the Dodge pins. What's the P/N for the Chevys?
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:14 am

    That would be Moog 8494 B for Bronze, N for Nylon. The Autozone numbers above are McQuay Norris. These will become real rare if all they fit is our Chevy Vans,,,,,,,
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    Post by Guest Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:04 pm

    The Dodge use a different p/n. 8453 B or N. That's a MOOG number.
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    Post by wacko Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:44 pm

    As I am a beginner, would I be able to install the nylon bushings myself with non-specialized tools? I need to get the king pins changed in order to pass my safety inspection. Originally I was going to have the mechanic do this but with my ever increasing confidence and the help from the fine people here I think I may do it myself. Plus the mechanic was going to charge me 700.00 to do it including parts.
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    Post by BvrWally Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:31 pm

    That's simply "Outrageous"!!! $700 bucks! Sad
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    Post by VANagain Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:34 am

    Which did our vans come with? Nylon or bronze? I know one of my 65's has nylon in it now and they are tight.
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    Post by Kakster Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:22 am

    I don't know the history of my van prior to me owning it, but when I recently R&Red the king pins, the old ones and new ones were plastic. Additionally, in the 1968 Chevy Truck Factory Service Manual they describe the steering knuckle bushings as "splite type floating glass filled polycarbonate bushings on all axles except the 9000 LB and 11,000 LB axles which have Delrin". Though not Nylon, polycarbonate and Delrin are plastics, not metal.

    As for a home mechanic doing the repair, I found it not so tough. If you happen to be doing a disc brake conversion, you are already elbow deep into that part of the van anyway so it is a good tome to be fixing all those 40+ year old parts anyway.
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    Post by donivan65 Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:57 am

    The last 3 axles I took apart had nylon bushing,,,,so i would have to say thats what they come with. And a lot of people would replace them with bronze when they go bad. Its getting to the bushings that can be hard. Those bolts on the steering knuckles are sometimes rusted in place and so can be the kingpin shaft.
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    Post by RipVanArkie Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:29 pm

    RockAuto shows two kits, both with nylon... they are only for our vans!
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