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    1966 dual res mastercylinder ?

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    Post by donivan65 Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:06 pm

    The measurements for the van needs to be in decimals, not millimeters.
    And we need the bore of the piston not the hole. It probably is 1 inch. Master Cylinders have different depths in those holes,,,,so sticking something down there and measuring it will tell you how far that pushrod needs to go in to start pushing the piston. I am just asking for some information on what a REAL Ford master cylinder should be. Who knows what those parts you got are? The push rod and master cylinder don't match, so they put a spacer in it to make it work. And does it even work? And that master cylinder has 4 ports on it,,,I doubt that it is from any Ford,,,,,,it could be a hot rod universal type. You just need to find basic information so you can make things right,,,,,,
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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:24 pm

    Hey guys,
    I stuck my caliper in there and it reads 1.5 inches, the new one is 1.2, might be a good match since they had this piece in there.
    The new one is from a 70 granada, manual, front disk.

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    Post by Guest Fri Jun 05, 2009 2:26 pm

    And here are some rotor/caliper pics


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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:01 pm

    Granadas were not invented untill 1975,,,,so what is that master cylinder for?
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:27 pm

    oops, sorry, it's for a 1969 Bronco.
    Thanks for catching that Smile
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:38 am

    So how did you come up with a 69 Bronco master cylinder,,,,,,does it seem like it is the same?????


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    Post by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:42 pm

    The ones for Maverick, Granada & Mustang were too tall.
    So the autozone guy looked up a few years for the Bronco and found this one. It was $36 and I didn't bring the core back yet (-$14).
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:15 pm

    i guess you are not getting much help because not many Ford vans have that dual master cylinder on it and even less have converted over this wonderfull piece of equipment that Ford invented.


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    Post by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:44 pm

    I think I received enough help from you guys to figure it out.
    Thanks Smile

    The new MC is in now, I've replaced almost all lines with new copper-nickel lines to get rid of the compression fittings, routed and secured everything neatly.
    One more line to replace and than bleeding and testing.
    I've had a lot of fun with the double flaring tool Smile

    I wish I knew what kind of calipers I have....still can't reach the previous owner and the van has to be my daily driver by the end of the week. My Miata finally quit.

    Cheers Smile
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:48 pm

    I would post the pictures on a real Ford van website,,,,,,,that disk brake set up of yours is surely a kit,,,,,,and sooner or later you will need calipers,,,,,
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    Post by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:21 pm

    which website would that be?
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:17 pm

    here is a door to the FORD WORLD from our links page,,,,,l


    http://www.vintage-vans.com/ford_parts_links.html
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:21 pm

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    Post by Guest Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:45 pm

    donivan65 wrote:i guess you are not getting much help because not many Ford vans have that dual master cylinder on it and even less have converted over this wonderfull piece of equipment that Ford invented.


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    I've seen them on ebay fetching more than they are worth.
    I have one of those, if anyone is interested. Or should I hold on to it?
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:48 pm

    I snuck into to a Ford site and here is what I saw,,,,,,


    http://www.carnut.com/tech/econo/econo1.html
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    Post by fmc56 Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:20 am

    If that set up matches yours you have Dodge Intrepid rotors and Chevy calipers.
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    Post by sasktrini Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:20 am

    donivan65 wrote:I snuck into to a Ford site and here is what I saw,,,,,,


    http://www.carnut.com/tech/econo/econo1.html

    They didn't smell your "Chevy-ness" while you were there? Snuck back out? Laughing Do you think they would ban me for having an "A" and wanting a "G"? That's why you all are so great!!! Laughing

    I wish they kept 1st gens around till 69 so there would be more parts, and not this stupid "'67 Master Cylinder Price Inflation" thing!
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:51 am

    We can't ever have enough sites. And its good to have different points of view,,,,,,,thats what you will get here,,,,,, I have to say, that Ford Van master cylinder is a real bad idea,,,,,they could of made a normal master cylinder work for a few pennies more. I took off a Chevy bracket for a sample, just to see if an adapter could be made out of it to convert the Ford bracket to a normal master cylinder. Someone might see this and take it one step further. So all ideas are welcomed,,,,,,it might sound dumb now but someone, someday will turn it into a brilliant idea,,,,,


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    Post by sasktrini Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:26 pm

    I completely agree... why did ford have to go completely sideways (pun intended) with their MC design? I was just pullin' your leg though... you may know that I love all kinds of earlies!
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:54 pm

    I know,,,,,,,,but the fact that there are flare fittings in his brake system, spacers to make the push rod fit the master cylinder and brake pads that don't reach the rotor, surely is not the best or safest disk brake conversion that I have ever seen,,,,,,,I hope there is a better system for the Fords out there,,,,,,
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    Post by sasktrini Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:24 pm

    I got a 67 MC from weird Harold (haven't seen him here, but i hear he's good and will hopefully be back soon, sorry to hijack) last fall, so I'm good!
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    Post by Guest Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:51 pm

    The Chevy Nova didn't match. The Autozone guy looked in other years chevy and most fords and I was about to walk out without calipers until a customer showed up, looked at my caliper and said: " 1985 Chevy S10 Blazer".
    Bingo, in stock, matched perfectly, $40. Lucky me Smile
    I brought the driver side, he pulled the driver side and it didn't match.
    Apparently the previous owner switched sides to make fit.
    Only downside is the bleeder screw points down now and will catch air unless bled with a vacuum bleeder.

    Cheers Smile

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    Post by donivan65 Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:40 pm

    Then you need rule #12,,,,,,,when converting to disk brakes,,,,,switch sides on the calipers,,,,,,,it makes a difference if you put the calipers in FRONT or in BACK of the axle,,,,,,,so do whatever it takes to make that bleeder screw end up on top,,,,,,,
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    Post by Guest Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:24 pm

    I'm not sure if that's possible with the bracket I have.
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:56 pm

    So are you telling me that the bleeders on your calipers are on the bottom????? Now that would cause you problems. But it don't matter what you got on there, it's probably wrong,,,,so lets try and make it right. And sometimes, if you are building up a system, you need to install the calipers on the opposite sides to make the bleeder be on top. The calipers are the same EXCEPT for the position of the bleeder screw. So look at the other side,,,,,if the bleeder is also on the bottom, then you need to switch sides,,,,,,

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