Am I too high? Huh make the engine just might be

Doing a late model 360 Magnum conversion on what was a /6 van, the left valve cover hits the engine cover side panel and I feel the front of the engine is riding high on the mounts. Do these look like the right isolators? Engine too high? Does the /6 have a different side panel that a V8 model?

Right side mount


Left side mount


Engine is a lot higher in front than rear


Valve cover against left side panel

looks like very thick isolators PLUS truck engine brackets.

https://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t36444-motor-mount

https://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t34996-a-100-motor-mount-location

Check out page 3 and 4
https://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t22169p30-blaino-s-67-a100-custom-sportsman

I'd agree  it's to high and out of center , i had the same problem  ,  what i did was yank the motor mounts,  leave the front fan off ,so you can move the engine left and right with a gas station type jack.
use the jack  to lower it and move it left and or right to sit center and near level , then move the engine
brackets around like rod mentioned one in front /one in back till you find what works,
my mounts were to high also, went to napa started looking at mopar mounts,  the late 60's or early 70's
valiant mount looks like the right size,I took those home and ground off the small centering  nipple.
and it all worked well, the mount turned a little from no centering pin , but it's not a lot, once it moved,  it never moved again, that is what worked for me, hope all this helps My mission was to get the engine level, i'm not a engine builder but i wanted to keep the oil where the manufacturer wanted it . every engine you see always sits level,

Okay, the brackets installed now are from a A100 van, I did modify the right bracket to work on a 360 Magnum since that engine is one ear short of a 318 engine. Here is a picture prior to cleaning up the weld, this is for the right side.


Here is a picture of the truck mount ones installed, I was originally sold these with a set of frame brackets and they are almost 1" taller than the ones I am using now.


Here is a couple side shots of the bracket installed now, they are A100 brackets, the isolators are Anchor 2338, so do any of you recall the part number of the rubber isolators you used?



The engine is centered to the frame rails within 1/8" right to left, the tail shaft of the trans is also centered right to left in the frame rails. The opening in the floor is not equal right to left.

only curious -in above pix=? if the engine was moved back - so the front mount ear -- was in front of the bracket- would  that also eliminate the washers installed??      

doing same to other side?

Actually tried that when setting this up since one of the brackets is suppose to be in front of the ear when installing a 318 LA engine, magnum version at least has the ears albeit slightly different. The front ear is wider than the stack of washers.The engine can not go back any, the trans mounts perfectly to the upper hanger.

Thanks for the pics and the reply.

Looks like you did your homework and used the right parts, but it's still too high.
I'd suggest either super thin insulators (maybe a rubber or urethane sheet and a thru bolt?), or building your own engine brackets that are shorter. I'd avoid modifying the body brackets if possible.

Dix, you happen to have the part numbers for the isolators you used or a couple pictures?

Did a lot of surfing yesterday looking at pictures of V8's in these vans and any that showed the motor mount configuration. Might be wrong but it appears what I used is correct in that they are the right parts and Dodge for whatever reason sloped these engines, attached some pictures of "dodgeman" engine, but saw several others on this sight and on other sites. First two show the motor mounts and the last one the angle.





There has got to be other V8 vanners, what do you have, straight or sloped?

let me see what i can find tonight after work,

magnum engine valve covers are quite a bit higher than the stamped steel ones on a "LA" style engine.

Don't have a set of LA covers to measure, but the magnum can not be any higher than the Mopar Aluminum covers and those fit in the confines of the doghouse.

So does anybody have measurements? Pictures or part number for the isolators they used?

napa 602-1170

Thanks! Just picked up a set, turns out the NAPA 602-1170 are actually Westar EM-2265, bolt spacing appears to be the same as the EM-2338 which is a good thing, should not have to drill any new holes and the thickness is about 1/4" - 3/8" less in height.

Dix, got the 2265 installed, engine now has a 3* angle and the carb is so close to zero (level) it can't get much better.

Did your mounts have this odd twist when mounted?

no mine were not off like that. mine were off maybe 3/16 inch . is the engine laying flat on the mount of is one side carrying more weight than the other side?? the only option i can think of is to weld one of the bracket wholes and re drill a new whole??
it will not take much time, maybe remove the mount and flip it sounds stupid but I've seen
odder things than that, i'd be interested to hear what rod's input is. but he maybe racing all week end,
just a nother thought maybe take the truck / van out around town let the motor settle in place and then try to loosen the nuts and turn the mount to the correct position, i'm just thinking out loud,
I don't think the mount will last a long time with out support where it is hanging over in mid air, .
sounds like were heading in the right direction with the engine sitting level now, !!!! If this sh*t was easy my wife would be doing it.

i thought i sent these the other day

Unable to drive the van, still in the building/conversion process.

Noticed from your pictures that your isolators are in long ways top to bottom, to where I tried to install side to side like the thick originals, will raise the engine tomorrow and try to slide them sideways.

Did you have to drill you brackets (mounts)?

I did not drill anything, But using the newer motor must have moved the bolt location,
maybe if you take the weight off the motor mounts losten the bracket bolts to let the
engine settle in place trying to get the mount where you want it then tighten every thing up might help.

Got them in, what a chore, not exactly plug and play. Ideal install would be with just a bare engine block, the engine or frame bracket should be re-drilled to match the pattern more closely for there is stress on both isolators, have better surface contact between both brackets to the isolator. Still have zero carb angle. Thanks!

glad it all worked out.