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    Rear Starter Support?

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    Post by Vantasia Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:28 am

    Flicking through the Shop Manual Supplement, it shows a third mounting bolt to a bracket on the top rear of the starter to the block where the dip stick is attached. Mine's long gone, anyone have a pic of this? I'm sure it could be easily fabricated, is it really needed? I have a 194, assume the 230 was similar?
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    Post by ndjarrett Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:40 am

    You talking about this (again 2nd gen)?

    Rear Starter Support? Cimg2510
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:31 am

    GM installed those many years-likely some starter rebuilder may have one - we always just removed them-trash can item.
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    Post by Vantasia Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:42 am

    ndjarrett wrote:You talking about this (again 2nd gen)?

    Rear Starter Support? Cimg2510
    No, its a small 'L' bracket close to the tail end ahead of the solenoid that bolts to the top of the starter and to the side of the block, I guess for extra support? if my holes are there and the threads are clean, I may make one up, can't hurt?
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    Post by RodStRace Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:14 pm

    There is a stock bracket for the V8s that bolts to the FRONT of the starter and the block. Typical angle, with a bend in the middle.
    As said, most got pitched the first time someone serviced it.
    Here's a (BIG) picture
    Rear Starter Support? Starterbrace
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    Post by Joe Van Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:38 pm

    Smile


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    Post by Vantasia Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:48 am

    RodStRace wrote:There is a stock bracket for the V8s that bolts to the FRONT of the starter and the block. Typical angle, with a bend in the middle.
    As said, most got pitched the first time someone serviced it.
    Here's a (BIG) picture
    Rear Starter Support? Starterbrace
    It looks similar in the manual for the Six, there is a bolt on the side of the block next to the dip stick tube and a threaded hole on the top along side the solenoid connections. There's also a threaded stud with an extra nut like the one in your pic, same starter for 6 or 8? I'm gonna make a bracket from a piece of flat or angle stock, as you said, it will take some stress off the main bolts.
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:58 am

    I will add =Gm put the bracket on the starters to avoid the starter from moving slightly when actuated (torque) esp=if the mounting bolts wernt torqued correctly !!affraid 
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    Post by panelmanrd Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:44 am

    I would say if you were running a very high compression motor
    this part would be a nice insurance policy to have, if your motor
    is a stocker I wouldn`t worry about it. I have had gm products my
    whole life and have never had one of those brackets on any starter
    on any engine in any vehicle I have ever owned and never had problems
    with the bolts breaking. maybe I`m just lucky. m2cw
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    Post by Joe Van Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:13 am

    You Should have a Support Bracket on the starter.!!!! You are all correct most were tossed the first time the starter was replaced and you have a bigger chance with a hi compression engine and probley will never have a problem with a stock motor... I personally in 32 years of owning many vehicles I have Never broken a starter bolt.(knock on wood) BUT it was put there for a reason from the Factory...The biggest issue is it keeps the starter from flexing around and looseing the starter houseing bolts and mounting bolts also.!!!!! I have a starter bracket on all my vehicles JUST incase cheep insurance I guess..Smile  But on the other hand every car or truck that has been towed in our Shop in the last 26 years with a broken or stripped starter bolt did not have the Factory installed bracket on it... And I wound up on almost all of them putting a fly wheel it them also.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just my opinion:) Smile
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    Post by Vantasia Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:56 am

    OK, I'm sold, so how do I find one for a six? anyone have one before I make one?
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:00 am

    Try looking into a local small starter / alt rebuilder shop. or large auto parts place in their starter cores or junk yards -core piles.
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    Post by Vantasia Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:49 pm

    Here is one for sale!
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    My holes don't line up, the one on the starter is about 3/8" farther to the front, the starter must not be original so I made one up from scrap stock. But this one would be nice if your holes line up.

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