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    Vanny's Diamond in the Ruff!

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    Post by vanny Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:52 pm

    I finally got some time this weekend to get the gas tank and new fuel filters back in place. I changed the oil Valvoline VR-1 and flushed and filled the radiator. I also bought a new battery and decided to try to start her up. I think I may need to replace the fuel pump but want to run it by this site first. I put a small amount of gas in the carb 1st and she turned over and almost started for a moment but then just kept turning over. The second inline fuel filter(a glass one) is located just before the fuel pump and had plenty of fuel in it. When I pumped the accelerator, I couldn't smell fuel coming into the carb so does that mean the pump is pulling it as far as the glass filter but not up to the carb? Or does someone think it's something else? I haven't touched the plugs, wires, etc yet but it seemed like if I would have had fuel, it would have started cause it almost did when I put a small amount directly into the carb.


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    Post by Joe Van Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:05 pm

    Paul you can pour a small amount of gas in the carb vent tube on top to fill the bowl and it should run for a minuet or two if you are getting gas to the fuel pump and no gas out of it the pump is most likely bad. but it may take a few times of trying to start it for the pump to start pumping again.!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by Joe Van Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:09 pm

    donivan65 wrote:,,,,,,,Yep,,,,,,,,,,,



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           This picture needs to go to congress and show how the ethanol is ruining our vehicles fuel systems.Evil or Very Mad .
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    Post by dodge man Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:17 pm

    i never seen one this bad, !!
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    Post by vanny Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:42 pm

    Thanks for the tip, I'll give it another try. I was thrilled to see that it was turning over and almost starting. Getting it running would be Fantastic! That is one NASTY looking sending unit and tank. What is it in the Ethanol or not in the Ethanol that causes all that buildup?


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    Post by Twinpilot001 Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:52 pm

    not ethanol!! Thats just old gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by vanny Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:01 pm

    Hey Joe...Guess What! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPmVhyHBRAM

    Thanks for the tip! Once it started, if I stepped on the gas, it would stall out. So, I just let it run for a while to warm up and once it did, I was able to rev it up and it ran pretty damn well!! WoooooHoooo!!!

    Now, for the not-so-good news. I tried shifting the van through the gears and nothing. I noticed when I first went under there that the tranny oil pan was pretty moist. If you look at the pics on the 1st page, you can see it. I pulled the dipstick out and it looked wet but then I wiped it down and inserted it again while it was running and it came out dry. So, I'll read up in the service manual how to remove and replace the tranny filter and gasket and see if I can refill it and try again.

    I had forgotten how much FUN it is to get in there and smell the gas and oil on my hands and the smell of Zep Citrus Hand Cleaner! My wife told me I stunk and I said "Thanks Hun!" She just rolled her eyes. I LOVE IT and I'm HOOKED once again!


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    Post by dodge man Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:06 pm

    LOL VANNY YOU ARE A FRANKANSTEEN, HEHEHE, YOU'RE THE LIFE OF THE PARTY !!
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    Post by dix Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:54 pm

    Vanny does the existing trans pan have a drain plug, ?? if so it may be easier to fill the tranny op with fluid start it up and let it run till it's warm then see if it wants to shift. opposed to buying the fluid, and gasket and a filter installing every thing just to try it out, If it's not going to move then she's commoing out anyways, if it does work then drain out the fluid and replace the fluid , the gasket and the filter, run the fluid thru a paint strainer and reuse it, i know some people will say not to do that but that is what i'd do.I know your on a budget so thats my 2 cents. PS glad you got the old girl to fire up, Stupid question is the linkage hooked up and working ??? have your wife shift thru the gears while you are underneath watching the linkage move, Park , reverse 1st 2nd 3rd. then try to start it


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    Post by vanny Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:35 pm

    When I get a chance, I'm going to have someone move the shifter to see if it actually does move the shifter. They've got it hooked up to one of the two original shifter rods from when it used to be 3 on the tree but it does feel from up above that you can move the shifter thru the gears. My plan is to eventually put in a shifter and build some sort of console on the floor. Either that or has anyone on this site adapted a Dodge dashboard shifter in an Econo?

    Thanks Dix!


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    Post by Joe Van Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:37 pm

    dix wrote:  if so it may be easier to fill the tranny top with fluid start it up and let it run till it's warm then see if it wants to shift.
    I knew you could get it going.cheers . most likely with the pan leaking some it's probley just low on fluid I will keep my fingers crossed.Smile but still if it shifts ok still change all the filters and fluid .Engine,trans,rear end,and radiator. ..!!!!!!!!!! From what I have been told is Ethanol has alcohol witch creates moisture witch in turn creates corrosion the newer gas with Ethonal starts to turn bad (Orange colour ) with in a few weeks.!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by vanny Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:44 pm

    That's the plan! Fingers, toes, eyes all crossed! Whatever it takes... Wink 


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    Post by vanny Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:58 pm

    OK, I have a question. I was going to swap out the gasket and filter on the transmission, fill it with fluids and see if it would work. However, when I took out the gasket, it had 14 bolt holes and the tranny only has 11. So, I was Assuming that the tranny was a C4 and that's what I told the guy when I picked up the new gasket and filter. I poked around for a while and was able to find a tag toward the back of the tranny. I looked in the shop manual and am trying to decipher. HELP!
    The tag has the following numbers and letters on it:

    PEA S
    C8UPH F 18

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    Does this mean it's a C8 Transmission? What is the date? I just need to know what I have so that when I go to buy parts, I get the right stuff.
    Thanks in advance for any assistance!


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    Post by vanny Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:20 pm

    I just read an article that says if the tranny has 11 bolts in the oil pan, it's either a C4 or a C5 and the way to tell which one is to measure the distance from the bell housing to the tranny. So, tomorrow I will measure to see which one I have but I would still like to know the year so that I will have this info going forward if someone could help me with that.


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    Post by Twinpilot001 Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:25 pm

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    Post by vanny Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:44 pm

    Thanks Twin! C4 it is! Wonder why he gave me a 14 bolt gasket when I told him it was a C4! Still wish I could decipher the year.

    I never claimed to be a mechanic. I'm just learning as I go! Once I get this tranny tested, I want to search the motor to see if I can find an id tag to identify it as well. I think it's a 240 but not sure!


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    Post by vanny Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:44 pm

    I found a site to decipher the trans tag and it looks like it's a C4 Tranny out of a 68 Ford E100. I have another question. I bought the transmission pan gasket and filter kit and the guy at Autozone sold me some gasket sealer. When I opened the package, the gasket is made of rubber and instructions say NOT to use any sealer or adhesive on the gasket. It says to put a little grease on the gasket and install that way. So, do I Not use the sealer the guy sold me?


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    Post by dix Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:50 pm

    Do you know what the torque spec is ? you don't want to over tighten it.


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    Post by Twinpilot001 Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:53 pm

    dont use the sealer -unless=?? its an rtv sealer!! RTV will bond & seal it! better get a cork gasket??
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    Post by Vannin Ken Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:08 pm

    Hey Vanny can you post a pic of the underside of that tranny area transmount and linkage? im looking for a 68 trans for my 200 trying to visualize what it looks like Thx Ken
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    Post by Joe Van Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:44 pm

    At the shop we use a little 3m Spray Adhesive on the pan and glue the gasket to it nothing on top of the gasket.. A cork gasket is the best if you can get one....Be careful if you put silicone RTV on the gasket especially a rubber one the trans fluid will eventually eat through it....  Transmission fluid breaks the silicone down over time and grease is old school and will melt away and leak down the road also...... Been There Done That.....
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    Post by vanny Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:57 pm

    Torque spec is to cross pattern tighten to 80 inch lbs and then go around again and tighten to 120 inch lbs. I will pick up a cork gasket and put the 3m on the pan side only.

    Thanks Dix, Twin and Joe for the advice. It's much appreciated. I'd rather do it right the first time!

    Ken - I'll try to get some pics underneath tomorrow so you can see what it looks like.


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    Post by dodge man Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:14 pm

    if you torque it correctly you shouldnt need any thing just the gasket, mae sure all the bolt holes are not bent inword,
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    Post by Joe Van Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:30 pm

    dodge man wrote:if you torque it correctly you shouldnt need anything just the gasket,
    ...........Your 100% Correct dodge man the main reason for the 3M adhesive is to keep the gasket from moving around or slipping out while tightening the bolts...........
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    Post by vanny Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:35 am

    Vannin Ken wrote:Hey Vanny can you post a pic of the underside of that tranny area transmount and linkage? im looking for a 68 trans for my 200 trying to visualize what it looks like Thx Ken
    Here you go Ken!

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