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    Post by Guest Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:04 am

    I will do all of those things.
    Donovan65 always got the best pics - I will try to do the same. My brother owns the camera-- he always fogets to bring it over and this week we will try to upload what we have been doing. Im sure once we get the hang of it - be easy. posting 101
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:10 am

    It looks like you suffered major trauma,,,,,you got a real good story here and some of the best advice a person could ever get if they buy an Early van,,,,,,,,these vans are dangerous, you are lucky you were not going down a mountain road or in heavy traffic. You need to check out everything BEFORE you go out in traffic. I can't believe these people that fly out and think they can drive something home. You need to know what you got,,,,,,and fix anything that is unsafe. But get us some pictures,,,,,,,,I sure want to know more about what happened to your van.
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    Post by m1dadio Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:41 pm

    I have a drivce shaft with a yoke from my 65 with a 3 speed. It has a new front u joint and the yoke is installled on it. It is 23" center to center. It will likely need a rear u joint because the one on it is to adapt a newer 10 bolt or a ford nine inch rear end.
    Do you have the stock rear end?


    You can have it free but you have to pay the shipping fron Sidney BC Canada or find someone making the trip.
    I'm actually about two hours drive from seatle.



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    Post by Guest Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:24 am

    WOW that would be great- Im suposed to go to N Bend sometime this week with another 64 chevy vanner to look at some other parts but it would be awesom to trip up there, sometime after that. My brother and I were thinking of heading up that way before too long. I will send you a post in a few days!!!!!!
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:00 pm

    And what about splines in those yokes,,,,,,,


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    Post by m1dadio Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:02 pm

    What about splines? Correct me if Im wrong but isn't the corse spline used in the standard trans ans the fine spline used in the automatic?

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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:32 pm

    The 64 and Early 65, had the course spline yokes on the 3 speeds,,,,,,,then I think everything went to the fine splines,,,,,,,I think by 66, they were all fine splines,,,,,I need to know what the late 65's had in them,,,,,and if they had that synchro trans in them. My early 65 had the course splined non synchro trans and I had to put on a fine spline yoke to install a 69 3 speed synchro trans in it. And I think all the automatics were fine splines,,,,,,,
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:16 pm

    Good Golly Noah! So you were cruising down the freeway at 55mph on your front drums????? You sure know how to have fun in your Chevy Van,,,,,,,,,,,that last 10 seconds must of been exciting,,,,,,,


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    Post by m1dadio Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:18 pm

    OK the rear end looks OK except for either an axle seal or brakes cylinder leak in the right rear. You need to look at that.

    That yoke looks like what happens after years of people beating u joints in and out with a hamer. They get fetigue cracks on boom!

    Something is hoaky about your front drum instalation. You really need to inquire about why the braKE BRUM HAS BEEN SPACED OUT FROM THE HUB WITH WASHERS????
    This is going to prevent the drum from sitting on the very nessesary centering hole. Its no wonder the unit broke studs and shook like hell. That drum must have gone off centre after the first two studs broke and shook so bad the other three studs didn't have a chance. Infact I bet that drum has always been off centre, shaking and beating/sawing on the studs.

    You can't put it back together like that. You have to find out why the drum has been spaced. Maybe the wrong wheel bearing have been used and the hub is too far onto the spindle.

    Crap I had complete and good condition front drum brakes for give away and just last week the scrap deeler who cleans up our yard took them away without me knowing.

    enough people have done the disc brake mod that there is backing plates and other front brake parts around for you, just ask.

    Do you have the corse spline yoke??

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    ps getting to my place involves a 1+3/4 hr ferry ride at about $100 return. Maybe I should mail you the drive shaft?
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    Post by m1dadio Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:55 pm

    Heres what I have for you.

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    Don; its a corse spline, I think my van is the late 65 and it did have a non syncro 3 speed.

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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:52 pm

    We will get to the bottom of Noah's Great Adventure,,,,,,,it is just taking a while to get the information out of him,,,,,,but he is trying. I think those spacers are there because they can't get the drum back on because the backing plate is bent out,,,,,,,but maybe that was the problem,,,,maybe studs broke,,,,drum fell off,,,,or the hub bearings froze up and caused all that damage,,,,there still is a lot of missing pieces to the story,,,,
    So M1, so your original transmission looks like this 65,,,,,,,with the small side cover?



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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:49 am

    The spacers are there because we couldnt get the drum back on after the backing plate bent out . about the drive shaft M1 - My spline is a 27, so if by late 65 or into 66 they were all 27 my tranny could be the original 3 speed? I should be headed to Nbend mabey this week to look at a drive shaft out of a 2nd gen and it should have the 27 spline on it- I think we can hold off on that for now- 100 is about what they would charge to add another 1/2 inch to the one that Drivelines nw is holding. But do you have a rear end yoke that is complete-I could pay for it - or shipping - or whatever- I was told by Drivelines nw that in the 60s rear end yokes had some type of u joint cap, unlike now where the caps are molded into the yoke itself? Driving with that drum the way it is squeels like hell but it moves. Im going to have to make a checklist and complete it before riding out again. Thanks
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:22 am

    I guess you can keep grinding on that backing plate until you can get the drum back on without it hitting it and rubbing. So what about your driveshaft? Is it the correct size, (23" between the front and rear cup centers), or was it also damaged? I think those fine splined yokes are on most GM vehicles,,,,,they should be easy to find anywhere,,,,,,,but you definitely need the right length driveshaft for everything to work right.
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    Post by m1dadio Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:01 pm

    You are right Don, you can see on the drum where its rubbing on the back plate. Noer needs to bgrind at it until the drum fits without rubbing.

    I gues I have the 16 spline yoke, I don't know what the trans looked likr its gone a couple years ago. this is all I have

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    So how long has it been since those washers where put there? I ask because the patern of undisturbed rust on both the hub face and the inside of the drum looks as though they have not been in good contact for quite some time.

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    Post by mo_1040 Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:40 pm

    I am guessing that the drum backing plate is different between first and second gen???????
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:16 pm

    I am thinking they are the same,,,,,,Here are a front and a back off a 1st Gen,,,,,,,,


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    Post by mo_1040 Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:21 pm

    I have a set of backing plates off of my '67... I don't ever plan on going back to drum brakes... If someone needs them Rolling Eyes

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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:57 pm

    Sure looks like someone's in Seattle are wearing a little thin,,,,,,,
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    Post by Guest Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:14 pm

    We also figured out that when mesuring for the drive shaft the weight of the vehicle needs to be on the springs and both times that I mesured it it was on jack stands!!!

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    We put the washers there after the "incident" happened, so that the drum would turn. Ive grinded it down pretty good and still it squeels.

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    Whats the shipping cost? How can I send $ to you and where?
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:08 am

    It's kind of hard to measure an invisible driveshaft,,,,,and even if you measured correctly with the rear end hanging down, the driveshaft would be TOO LONG once you put the van down on its tires,,,,,,it would go in the transmission too deep and maybe bottom out and break.
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    Post by m1dadio Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:31 pm

    noer was that you asking for the airfilter assembly??
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    Post by mo_1040 Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:19 pm

    They look the same as dons picture...11" wide...
    I was going to sandblast them up all pretty but ran out of sand...
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    Post by richie61 Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:08 pm

    What are you using to sandblast them Noah? M1s it's Richie61 looking for the aircleaner!
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    Post by Guest Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:54 pm

    Im not looking for an air filter assembly-

    I can have them sandblasted at a marine mechanics shop in seattle, for cheap.
    Those look great!! Do I send you a money order for the shipping?
    Give me your address through a post or you can e-mail it to me at phoenix@nwlink.com (attn:Noah) in subject box.
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