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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:40 pm

    I installed my new brackets, calipers and rotors from D&D, went for a drive and noticed some wobbling on the right front wheel.
    I thought bad bearings and replaced those as well but also noticed that my right hub as a slight crack between two bolts.
    When I tightened the wheel back on, the rotor started to scratch on the guide bolts. Had to have a helper holding the rotor centered
    while tightening. So now it's not scratching anymore but still wobbling a little.
    Could this be caused by the cracked hub?
    How can I find out what hubs I have and where to get another one?

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    Post by Old Skool Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:19 pm

    All the hubs are the same. There has been lots of opinions and discussions on the proper way to remove studs. I can tell you, that when I had my automotive machine shop, the PROPER way to remove the old studs, was with a special carbide tipped cutter. The PROPER way to install studs, is to crimp the base and the drum at the same time, it expands the metal into the drum. IF YOU DONT CUT that expanded material off, when putting in new studs, it usually enlarges the holes and the studs will now spin. Also, another reason I find so many welded in studs for my conversion. I cut them with a hole saw now, without the centering bit, get the right size and it will fit right over your stud, and cut the base all the way down to the hub BEFORE you remove the studs. I suspect you have a bad hub????
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:26 pm

    I think econorat could of cracked his hub if he pressed or beat off his drum to remove the studs to install longer ones so his rotor could then fit.
    But lets talk about these studs,,,,,,the original ones go in nice , but you can get into trouble taking them out. It seems that when the shoulder on the stud hits the drum hole, it balloons out, which grabs the drum good BUT if you press that stud out, it will rip out the serrations in the hub which will make the hole in the hub too large for the new stud to lock in. On this hub, I used a Dremel tool to grind the shoulder down on the stud so that I could press out the stud without ripping out the serrations that the original stud cut into the hub. So what else should we be watching out for when working on these hubs,,,,Like what other ways to get the job done and how do you get the drum off the hub without destroying everything???



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    Post by Old Skool Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:21 pm

    We had a set of different sized cutters and crimping tools for the press, just for replacing bad drums. In the Bendix parts books, it referred to as "STAKING". My point is, that when we picked a stud to put in, we actually looked for one that had a base that protruded slightly higher than the surface of the drum. With the "skaking" or crimping tool, we squashed this higher surface down and into the drum, to join them the same as rivet head expanding. Unfortunetly, this expands the base of the stud into the drum, as well as making it swell in shank size, quite often all the way down to the hub surface. I cant think of anyway to take them apart, without cutting the base of the stud all the way through the drum and down to the hub surface. On my conversions, I machine the OD of the hub slightly, and find a lot of hubs that have been ruined, simply because of someone not knowing the proper procedure. It is hard to find an automotive machine shop anymore, let alone an auto parts that know what to look for or how to interchange parts in the back of the book. I have tons of pictures, but find the browse setup, much harder to find my pics in than simply using an attatchment???j
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:30 pm

    This picture posting system is a lot more complicated than if you put your pictures into Photobucket or Flicker where you can then copy and paste them into a message. Ford sure seems to of made their Drum/Hub/Stud opearation more complicated than it needed to be,,,,,,,( pull the wheel off my Chevy and the drum falls on your foot,,,,,,we don't need no press or cutter to get it off!) I think a Ford would be just as happy if the drum was not swedged to the hub with the wheel studs. a person can do a lot of damage just pulling that drum off if they don't know what they are doing. But we need to bring it up,,,,,,people want front disk brakes and might have to take that drum off and install longer studs and a brake rotor so this post might come in handy for them. I would probably still be beating on the studs with a BIG Hammer to separate the drum from the hub,,,,,,,,,,
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    Post by Old Skool Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:18 am

    Ford wasnt the only one,,, lots others to include that other make????? LOL...
    Usually, all of them have some way of supporting the drum or rotor, said to keep from cutting the studs??? although I doubt that. Like on our rear drums, as sometimes it gets stuck and you cant get them loose, the idea is to support the drum by the center of the axle. BTW,, old trick for some that dont already know it,,, use a small torch, and heat the center of the drum, it will pop and fall right off the axle. No foul...
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    Post by Guest Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:39 pm

    That's a neat trick, gotta try it next time.
    I didn't remove the studs. It was converted before and I just used better brackets and new rotors/calipers.
    Doesn't feel good driving around with a cracked hub.
    Any ideas where to find one?

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    Post by donivan65 Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:30 pm

    I just pulled the complete front axle assembly, drag link to drums, off a 62 Ford van. PM me with an offer of what any off that stuff is worth to you,,,,,,,,,
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    Post by 67a 100 pickup Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:06 am

    I had the same problem with the "expanded" stud on my '68 dodge and had the grind the head of the stud and drive them thru with a punch so I could replace the broken ones. Left hand of course, no wonder they were broke
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    Post by donivan65 Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:00 pm

    I would like to see a picture of the crack in the hub,,,,,maybe someone used a 100 ton hydralic press on it and either did not support it right, pressed too much or pressed in an oversized stud to make it crack.

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