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    Problems with swaping a 289 V8 with a 144 engine.. 6

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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:50 pm

    I got a big problem with my Ford Econoline 1963. (in Norway)
    I bought the van 2 years ago.
    In Norway we have EU controll on the cars, every second year.
    My Ford E 63, have been approved every year before.
    Original was it deliver with the 144 engine, but in 1966 was the van sold from Ford Norway to a bank in Norway (DNC) the vab was rebuilt to a panser car for transport of large sums from stores to banks. The van was very heavy of course. Because of that it was set in a bigger engine a 289 from a Ford Mustang. (I got that information from a earlier owner) When they did that,they did not correct it in the title for the car. So now 43 years later I got a huge problem because they will not approve my dear Ford Econoline 1963. (Norway`s oldest registed american van)
    Yesterday I had several meeting with different people / companies about the problem, to try to find a solution on the problem.
    The issue is that those who shall approve it, need information about if the brakes and the front-wheel suspension can tolerate the extra power the 289 engine gives compare with the 144, 170 or 240....and also the weight of the 144 / 170 / 240 engine compare with the 289 engine...It is 10 " brakes.
    I will be very happy if anyone can help me out with this huge problem.....
    Thanks so much in advance...
    Arne Solvang, Haugesund NORWAY


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    Post by donivan65 Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:30 pm

    So is this the 1st inspection of the van? Or did you slip by before?
    Do you have something like an antique or classic vehicle law to let you register it like it is? Can you get it inspected by like a hot rod shop that modifies older vehicles with more modern engines and see what paperwork they have to do? As for weight, weigh the vehicle, and see if it is within the GVW rating and use that information. And maybe get specifications from a Dodge van with a V8 and use them to prove that your van meets the brakes and weight requirements of a store bought van with a V8 in it.
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    Post by G-Man Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:38 pm

    Maybe they also could check here. Alot of members here are running a 289. I don't have to tell you this, but your Econoline should have no problem with that motor
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    Post by RipVanArkie Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:19 pm

    144 - 90hp
    170 - 101hp
    200 - 120hp
    240 - 150hp
    289 - 155hp

    And your 10" brakes are larger than stock so they would handle any of the above engines without any trouble.

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    Post by Guest Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:50 pm

    Thanks for many reply on this.
    The Ford E van 63 have been on inspection in 2001 - 2003 - 2005 - 2007 and now 14 april 2009. It have been approved every time except now...Nobody have sayd or written anything about the 289 engine.
    It seems that the mechanic who control the van did not have a clue of what he was doing. Since the EU control/inspection in 2007 the car have been in a heated garage, have only been driven 230 miles..There was nothing to report about the car in 2007 during the control/inspection. In Norway it is special approved car repair shop who inspect the cars. The inspector did not find the chassisnumber plate on the car. And made a report of that. > The plate was located in the left front door. I explaine it, but he would not correct that it was found on the inspection document. He send me to full check of the car at the
    inspector-authority.....The inspector-authority was very helpful and ask my to apply for the swap of engine. I have written the apply now and got document from the biggest american car club in Norway about the problem.
    But I am still very interested to try to get a document from a Ford fabric about the issue swaping engine from 144/170/240 to 289 and if the wheel suspension and 10" brake are good enough. The weight of my Ford was control weight to 3483 ponds (without driver). In the title it was written 2579 pounds.(without driver) And allowed weight >4376 pound. I guess it is maybe because it is some of the furnishing > a small fridge, a wash, a bench, I guess that is only a weight of ca 220pounds. But it can maybe be some metal rest/plates (from the time it was bank car) in the walls of the car.
    I got confirmed that the difference of weiht on the 144 / 170 / 240 compare with 289 engine is 88,2 pounds. Some people told me that the 289 engine orgininal have from 155 to 200 HP.....what is the correct...? The motor code on the engine is > 0506-9425 B. A earlier owner told me that he had got information that this engine belong to a 66 Ford Mustang original.
    In the chassisnumberplate in the door it is written >
    E14SH437744 and below > 090K E144 89 A01 and below that > 4350 79 400 96. Someone told me that the numbers "4350" was the maximum Gross Vehicle Weight..... The springs and cylinder to brakes are also in very good condition. Was swaped for some years ago.
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    Post by RipVanArkie Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:34 pm

    The HP for the 289 was 155 with 2b carburetor and 200 with the 4b carb.

    Sounds like an interesting van for sure.

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    Post by Guest Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:39 am

    I am very happy today(22nd june 2009), the authorities approved finaly the new engine (V8) in my Ford Econoline -1963....thanks to all who helped me.... now are the new title on way in the post to me....i think I must celebrate it today with some ice cold beer....& barberque later.....cheers... Very Happy
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    Post by RipVanArkie Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:32 am

    Awesome!! Glad you finally got it worked out!

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