We need to find a base price on earlies

Every week we seam to have a new member,So I'm  thinking how can we help out
people looking  for these vans & pickups Almost any thing else you can find in a book.

For $20,000 what should be done , ???  Complete restore  ?  (nothing left to do )

For $15,000 what should you expect to see ??

For $10,000 what would you expect to find not done

For $5,000  What should be expected  Running, oil leaks, brakes pulling  Inspected,

For $2,500 what do you think you would find,  ??can be repaired with a lot of time and money ???? In need of  how much rust repair

at what point do yo expect no drivetrain ,, and at what point do you expect a good running engine and new paint,???

Lets try to be honest here , some expectations are higher and lower than others.

YEA Dix I Agree 100% This has been a issue since I joined this web sight..  .

If they were all bone stock unmolested vans, yeah you could do that. The way things are in real world stuff, I don't think it's possible to do.

I think it would be great if before someone buys a van they could take all kinds of pictures and post them on here for everyone to see and get an idea of what it worth, that would sure help those that don't know what there into before they buy it

Similar to classic trucks and general transportation cars of same era. (performance cars, muscle cars are in a different category)

Totally!!= Depends on sellers = situation!! Van condition (rust, running, ect.) and Location!!

also = on buyers Abilitys!!

Digz, Krispy and TwinPilot are all right this is not gonna be Easy at all Every Van is different...Body,Inteior,Drive train,....But it would be nice to have some Idea in todays market...

we could tell by the pictures if its a 1000 van or if its worth 10,000 maybe give it A B C D OR A F an A being super nice and F if it needs a lot of work and give him or her our advice on what we would do

This is a great idea, but we have the east coast west coast thing. Out west 10K will buy more van than the east coast

G-Man wrote:This is a great idea, but we have the east coast west coast thing. Out west 10K will buy more van than the east coast

There are not many worth buying the originally came from the east coast. This is a cool idea. Maybe we could post our own trucks as example's of a price category? I know the amount, give or take $100 what it took to build mine.

Ok we can start with this, We all know the pickup is more desireable than the vans are,
So for either the van or pickup selling for $16,500 and up, Now we all know these trucks  bone stock will not draw that kind of money very offten, SO  would every one agree it should
be in show room condition, Under side  newer paint , and clean. The drive train, tires & wheels and the dog house  in new  condition, Interior  of a van completly  done , Either stock as in wall panels and ceiling , Or a complete custom, But done with attenion to the details,  with new gauges and a good sound system  even if it's in the  glove box, On the pickup the interior  done, completly and the bed clean and painted (not all dented up), and a good sound system and gauges,  A newer paint job with few or no stone chips, These trucks should run down the hiway @ 80 mph allday long with no machanical flaws at all,

Items that should not affect the price  as in hurt the price  (just my opinion )  and we want yours as well
wheelwells tubed,
roll bars,
lowered , or air ride,
graffics /stripes or pin strips
vintage air
aftermarket seats
updated seatbelts
disc brakes
aftermarket mirrors

Does these items hurt the price
sun roof
original wiring
30 amp alternator
stock rims
fuel cell in a pickup truck bed
no bumpers or bumperettes
minor body changes like a recessed license plate,
led lights or halogen lights
only a factory radio
no spare tire
6 clynder engine
portholes
stock rad
painted bumpers
there is no wrong answers here, just trying to get a feel for what we all are thinking,
here is one that sold at Barret Jackson,

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=1574&aid=525

Maybe a new discussion category, where we post a good photo or two, and in the title list the vehicle, what you paid, where and when. Under the photos, breakdown the pros and cons when you bought it (I'm sure we've ALL had lists here-) Also an estimate of what $ you've put into it. This will give newcomers an idea of approximately what you can get for a price range, what you'll likely need to repair (when they see 400 radiator mentions) and also what costs look like (some here are DIYers but it helps to let folks also know what shop work looks like too.)
In the end, its also a decent gauge for what folks can realistically price theirs at should they sell down the road too...even shows what work you've put into it to justify your price too!

Its a good idea!! Yet - will never work - way too many variables!!  

No it aint, if you had the money, and you are going to buy one .... What would you expect, for one costing $16,500 and up ???This is just a idea of what our members would or would not except.

An idea would if the vehicle is near a member to go look at with the interested party.I know it would be time on our part.After you have worked on a few Earlies you know what to look for and what questions to ask,also what they drive and handle like.Pictures don't always tell the story.

There is really no category for our vans like Muscle Cars and Street rod's and there is A LOT of senairos..For 15k you can buy a older muscle car that needs fixing up... in the Hot Rod scene .(34 Ford.40 ford.38 Chevy,) 15k wont buy you much.!!!. But with a early Van or Pick Up for 15k I would expect it to be fully complete rather it be a themed Van or a bone stock one with no mechanical or paint,or body issues.. Rust is a big factor and you can get a rusted early fairly cheap and then spend 10k repairing it and repainting it... There is not a big demand for theses early's so the value is different and depends what the buyer is willing to pay... I think for 5k it should be running and somewhat be on the road or at least drivable..........As of today I have about $18,500 in mine and still have to finish the interior.!!!. The whole drive train was rebuilt with a 307 v8 a TH 350 auto trans and a repaint of a rust free body... But if we are going to break down seat belts, disk brakes,stereo's ,pinstripeing.sun roofs, vents,mirrors,..... I am affraid We May Not Ever come up with a TRUE VALUE on theses Early's ...JMO... .............  You can spend 20k easily into restoring any type of vehicle nowadays...                                     I think for now if a New Member or a current Member is interested in a Early let him or her post some pictures and we ALL can give our opinion what we think its worth.  ..When its all said and done I will probably have 25k in mine but I don't ever expect to get that much back if I ever sell it.!!!.

I think posting pics for members to grade is a good idea. On the otherhand, trying to put a price on a van or truck from pics is next to impossable. What it all boils down to is....It is worth whatever the buyer is willing to pay for it

G-Man wrote:This is a great idea, but we have the east coast west coast thing. Out west 10K will buy more van than the east coast

I disagree. I'm buying "barn finds," complete vans with little to no rust, little to no body damage, it just hasn't run in 10 or more years, for $500 to $1000 on the East coast, and seeing similar vans on the West coast for twice that.

The fully restored vans seem to be also cheaper on the East coast. I assume there are more van buyers on the West coast, and thus the market demand is higher, which drives up the prices.

I do agree that setting basic price categories will be difficult based on geography and the fact that everyone is looking for something different.

You are right dan Pictures Lie and I have been Fooled Before ....But I think the point Dix is trying to make is we have New Members that are willing to Overpay for a Earley just because they want one and don't know the True Value of what theses Early's are worth or what it will take to restore one..... I don't think we will get the hole story with some pictures but we will get a general idea and then go from there maby send a Local Member to see the Van in person if the buyer is serious..

Barnabas wrote:

G-Man wrote:This is a great idea, but we have the east coast west coast thing. Out west 10K will buy more van than the east coast

I disagree.  I'm buying "barn finds," complete vans with little to no rust, little to no body damage, it just hasn't run in 10 or more years, for $500 to $1000 on the East coast, and seeing similar vans on the West coast for twice that

     I am Sorry Barnabas I believe you but I myself am just not seeing those prices any more especially on Van's with little Rust and little body damage and defiantly not here in Florida at least with Chevy's I have been poking around for a local 1st Gen Chevy Sports Van body for a while now for around $500 dollars..  ..

O k lets try this what is this a100 pick up worth ???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Other-Pickups-A100-1968-dodge-a-100-pick-up-mopar-truck-/221366241361?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338a74c851&item=221366241361&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

This is an interesting challenge, I think the members here are better appraisers of these things as a group than outside individuals or appraisers might be, but it still varies widely from one individual to another, opinions, age, experience, disposable income, intended use etc...  I think that alot of guys on here are "older" and like them as toys but there are plenty of guys who actually use them daily and like it that way.  That in itself widens the gap on percieved value.

Lets face it, these things are (as already been stated) in a category by themselves, they are not really collectible like other muscle and rare antique cars, thus making them more affordable.. They are not modern ie no airbags, computers, abs brakes etc... So they are what the are.

I dont have a good answer and I dont know if there is just "one" guide that will work..

Below is a guide I borrowed, would it be of any help?




1967 Ford Econoline Van- What's it Worth?

Vehicle Mileage


Vehicle Condition (select one)
Outstanding - Exceptional mechanical, exterior and interior condition; requires no reconditioning.
Clean - Some normal wear but no major mechanical or cosmetic problems; may require limited reconditioning.

Average - May have a few mechanical and/or cosmetic problems and may require a considerable amount of reconditioning

Rough - Several mechanical and/or cosmetic problems requiring significant repairs.

Damaged - Major mechanical and/or body damage that may render it in non-safe running condition.

dix wrote:O k lets try this what is this a100 pick up worth ???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Other-Pickups-A100-1968-dodge-a-100-pick-up-mopar-truck-/221366241361?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338a74c851&item=221366241361&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

Apparently at least $19k!!

Gack !! They painted the Pentastar on the door..   15K maybe

dix wrote:O k lets try this what is this a100 pick up worth ???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Other-Pickups-A100-1968-dodge-a-100-pick-up-mopar-truck-/221366241361?forcerrptr=true&hash=item338a74c851&item=221366241361&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

Based on the ad, Id say its probably worth 20K, thats not saying I want it or would pay that? 

But I do feel sorry for him having to store his toys in that nasty dirty garage!