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Early GM Power Steering?
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°51
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m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°53
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m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°54
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BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
- Post n°55
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Great work...as usual M1D!!!!!
B.W.
B.W.
Scott- Number of posts : 1651
Location : Anoka, MN
Age : 54
Registration date : 2008-05-20
- Post n°56
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Your not concerned about weakness in the front axle caused from drilling the hole?
Or is the front axle so over-engineered that the hole isn’t going to make any difference?
Or is the front axle so over-engineered that the hole isn’t going to make any difference?
BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
- Post n°57
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Won't hurt it a single bit! Strong axles!
B.W.
B.W.
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°58
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Old time drag racers drilled 8 to 10 one inch holes to reduce wieght. Then bounced big blocks up and down doing wheelies all day long for years. It was usually the spindle or hub that broke first.
downward Forces allpied by the leaf springs are resisted on the spindle side of the axle. The centre section of the axle does not carrry near as much loading in any direction, it mainly keeps the two sides tied together. I think if you applied enough force to break that axle with a hole drilled in it you would likely tear the leaf spring perches off the body first.
M1D
downward Forces allpied by the leaf springs are resisted on the spindle side of the axle. The centre section of the axle does not carrry near as much loading in any direction, it mainly keeps the two sides tied together. I think if you applied enough force to break that axle with a hole drilled in it you would likely tear the leaf spring perches off the body first.
M1D
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°59
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
AS it turns out to my suprise, the local NAPA dealer makes hydraulic hoses.
They lent me a fitting catalog so I could pick what I needed and today I ordered up some hoses. which will be ready thursday.
at this site
http://www.greenlinehose.ca/_pdf/pulsar/Crimp_Couplings.pdf
for the cylinder hoses at 47" long I used the 9242-05-04 fitings found at the top of page 22. they have the fitings in all angles that will be good for the GM valve as well.
The pump hoses: the return is easy because you just use flaired tubing with rubber clamped as required. The presure hose is different of couse.
I used a 34" long hose with the 3215/3415 fitings. These are 37* flair fittings. Most automotive use 45* but aviation and most other industrial uses 37*. which is convienient for me as I have 37* flairing tools. I will take the steel tube coming out of the punp on the old pressure line, cut and flair it to attach this hose to. Same at the valve end using the 0005 sleeve and 0035 nut found at the top of page 67 on this link http://www.greenlinehose.ca/_pdf/pulsar/Adapters.pdf
This attach method is more work but I trust it much more.
You could do as the CCP hoses come. They have fittings that have the nut and furrel to clamp onto your steel lines. You would use the 9215V/9415V "flairless" fittings found at the top left of page 11.
these hose fitting come in many fastions including feild changable fitting you could use to make up hoses in your garrage.
Check the links into these catalogs on this link
http://www.greenlinehose.ca/pulsar.htm
M1D
They lent me a fitting catalog so I could pick what I needed and today I ordered up some hoses. which will be ready thursday.
at this site
http://www.greenlinehose.ca/_pdf/pulsar/Crimp_Couplings.pdf
for the cylinder hoses at 47" long I used the 9242-05-04 fitings found at the top of page 22. they have the fitings in all angles that will be good for the GM valve as well.
The pump hoses: the return is easy because you just use flaired tubing with rubber clamped as required. The presure hose is different of couse.
I used a 34" long hose with the 3215/3415 fitings. These are 37* flair fittings. Most automotive use 45* but aviation and most other industrial uses 37*. which is convienient for me as I have 37* flairing tools. I will take the steel tube coming out of the punp on the old pressure line, cut and flair it to attach this hose to. Same at the valve end using the 0005 sleeve and 0035 nut found at the top of page 67 on this link http://www.greenlinehose.ca/_pdf/pulsar/Adapters.pdf
This attach method is more work but I trust it much more.
You could do as the CCP hoses come. They have fittings that have the nut and furrel to clamp onto your steel lines. You would use the 9215V/9415V "flairless" fittings found at the top left of page 11.
these hose fitting come in many fastions including feild changable fitting you could use to make up hoses in your garrage.
Check the links into these catalogs on this link
http://www.greenlinehose.ca/pulsar.htm
M1D
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°60
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
M1, so what parts from other makes of vehicles have you incorporated into the upgrades of your van?
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°61
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Probobly the only early still on my van is the steering colum, wheel and sheet metal all around.
I have 1988 Trans am GTA engine, trany, wireing, electric cooling fans and seats.
1980 camaro 10 bolt rear end.
front disc brake mod, rear 1988 camaro disc brakes. "Tuff Stuff" brake booster and master cylinder, same as 70 corvette.
1979 trans-am brake rotors 74 chev van/nova callipers.
1957 chev belair spring shackles.
69 GMC van dog house, 4 core V8 automatic rad.
1988 Chev Van FI gas tank.
will be all autometer gauges.
69 mercury cougar PS valve and cylinder.
64 corvair car park brake handle.
will be getting a rear seat from a 90's dodge van that folds down into a 6' bed.
tons of other little parts from I don't know how many different vehicles and
after market manufacturues.
Oh ya, plenty of scavenged aircraft parts and hardware as well.
I told you guys this was a real to life "Frankenstien creation".
Like I said the only real thing still original early is the sheet metal and not even that is true with the different dog house.
M1D
I have 1988 Trans am GTA engine, trany, wireing, electric cooling fans and seats.
1980 camaro 10 bolt rear end.
front disc brake mod, rear 1988 camaro disc brakes. "Tuff Stuff" brake booster and master cylinder, same as 70 corvette.
1979 trans-am brake rotors 74 chev van/nova callipers.
1957 chev belair spring shackles.
69 GMC van dog house, 4 core V8 automatic rad.
1988 Chev Van FI gas tank.
will be all autometer gauges.
69 mercury cougar PS valve and cylinder.
64 corvair car park brake handle.
will be getting a rear seat from a 90's dodge van that folds down into a 6' bed.
tons of other little parts from I don't know how many different vehicles and
after market manufacturues.
Oh ya, plenty of scavenged aircraft parts and hardware as well.
I told you guys this was a real to life "Frankenstien creation".
Like I said the only real thing still original early is the sheet metal and not even that is true with the different dog house.
M1D
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°62
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
That sure is one of a kind,,,,,more dependable, safer and comfortable than an Early van could ever be,,,,,,,,you sure come a long way since you got that van,,,,,,what size gas tank,,,,,,,,,what size engine,,,,,,,what transmission,,,,,what rear end gear ratio,,,,,are you running the throttle body or Multiport Fuel Injection,,,,,,,and the TransAm computer too ???
m1dadio- Chevy Guru
- Number of posts : 1778
Location : north saanich
Registration date : 2008-10-06
- Post n°63
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Its the 305 tuned port injection (TPI) with the mostly electric 700r4 so yes all the computer and wireing and emision controls that go with it.
the rear gear is 3:42 posi, its a little too tight for the 90" van . a 308 open would probobly be a better choice. I'm not sure what size the gas tank is but its bigger then the 2nd gen, I think its a 33 gallon
the rear gear is 3:42 posi, its a little too tight for the 90" van . a 308 open would probobly be a better choice. I'm not sure what size the gas tank is but its bigger then the 2nd gen, I think its a 33 gallon
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
- Post n°64
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
I have enjoyed following this thread alot. I was wondering if the ball joints are the same on both ends of the stock draglink and if it would be feasable to tap a section of 4130 on both ends and make an adjustable drag link that way, using jam nuts?
BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
- Post n°65
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
I certainly see no reason not to! Hey Digz...what was the actual part # for your rear Disc Brake hoses ? I'm just about ready to button mine up and am at a Stalemate on the rear hoses???
B.W.
B.W.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°66
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donivan65- Governor
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Location : San Diego, California
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BvrWally- Number of posts : 946
Location : Earlyville,Ohio
Registration date : 2008-05-19
- Post n°68
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Thanks Don, I have thought of that, in fact have a set of SS from CCP sitting on the bench, but they are only 12" long and I believe too short???
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°69
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Well,,,,on this van, he did not use the existing metal lines at all, just straight shots from the junction block to the wheel cylinders,,,,,,you could just add small braided lines to the ends your metal ones to attach them to your calipers,,,,,
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
- Post n°70
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
I noticed on mine with just a 2 inch lift it changed the steering wheel, Just was confirming whether or not the G30 tie rod ends matched our drag links joints.. Im going to be using steel to hose on the rear brakes got some retainer tabs to weld on the axle tube.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°71
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
So have you tried to see if the G10,20 or 30 tie rod ends have the same size and taper as the drag link ends??????
Digz- Number of posts : 3794
Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17
- Post n°72
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
Not yet Don , I got it all bolted back on right now, was hoping I could maybe get one built in my spare time without tearing it apart again right now. I have a 1 ton chevy truck thats got alot of new steering hardware on it to that can be salvaged, I will cross check those with the van #s if M1 thniks it will work.That pic you have of the adjustable drag is just what I was thinking of.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°73
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Scott- Number of posts : 1651
Location : Anoka, MN
Age : 54
Registration date : 2008-05-20
- Post n°74
Re: Early GM Power Steering?
According to the current Truckin magazine (Volume 35, #8, 2009) the new Chevy 'Terrain' comes standard with Electric Power Steering, and adds about 11 miles of range to each tank of gas.
I know its got to be Rack & Pinion, but thought the electric part was interesting.
I know its got to be Rack & Pinion, but thought the electric part was interesting.
donivan65- Governor
- Number of posts : 12245
Location : San Diego, California
Registration date : 2008-05-12
- Post n°75