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    Post by mo_1040 Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:48 am

    I'm looking at buying this radiator for my 67 van that has a 350 engine...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-1968-1969-CHEVROLET-VAN-G-ALL-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQitemZ250365400764QQcmdZViewItem
    I'm wondering if this would be a good choice or if anyone knows of a better one... I've been looking through eBay and it's kinda driving me nuts looking through all the ads so any advice would be appreciated...
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    Post by Guest Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:18 pm

    I had looked at that rad as well tho i have a 66 not a 2nd gen......but if you look under between the seats G.....in the post radiator by raccoonreg....a few questions are answered........I know by looking at it it has a rad cap..and is aluminum.......doesnt the 2nd gen have a surge tank on top or something??.......and no rad cap......anyways hope that helps a bit!!
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    Post by mo_1040 Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:22 pm

    I think they have a surge tank because the engine sits higher than the radiator. I was thinking of putting a high pressure cap on the radiator and installing a intake manifold filler neck with a lower pressure cap which would be at the highest point of the cooling system to make sure no air is trapped in the system. It seems to me that I have seen pics in the gallery's where they have v8's and no surge tanks...
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    Post by G-Man Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:11 pm

    This is what I'm planning to do to solve that problem. I'm get this part for the upper radiator hose
    http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Inline-Fabricated-Filler-Neck-15-Hose,6573.html
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:54 am

    thats a cool piece to use.....thru the posts there seems to be so many options....i would figure that any good rad either crossflow or down flo and either aluminum or copper ..accompanied with a shroud and fan.....either electric or motor mounted..will work.....since my 66 needs a decent rad to cool my hemi...i am going to look for the largest ..ie 4 core... downflow rad that will fit within my doghouse....that is similar to one used in a street rod..with electric fans and shroud.....with tunel mods ..alot of fabrication for me.....if i could just bolt one in... and it works thats the way i would go....especially since a v-8 was offered as an option.....in the 2nd gens..
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:21 pm

    Soooo,,,,,, the 2nd Genifers stuff this 4 row radiator and surge tank into their doghouse,,,,,,,


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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:54 pm

    great shot!!
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    Post by mo_1040 Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:58 pm

    ok...so I know I had this thread on here a while back but cannot find it...I think it was in the old forum. I hold donivan in the highest regards and his recommendations and I understand that originally the radiator came with a surge tank... But I would like to know what are our "options" as far as cooling... Is what I'm looking at sufficient???... what are some other options... What have others used that have worked well??? I would like to buy a radiator soon but would like an opinion on if the one I'm looking at would be a good choice or would someone recommend a different one???
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    Post by wideload Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:17 am

    Mo_1040 that radiator looks good if it will fit or can be made to fit. Does your van already have the stock V8 rad mounts? Are you running a auto trans(you might have to redo the cooler lines)? Those are two things you need to think about. You might still consider the piece that G-man is going to use on his project to eliminate the possibility of traping air in the system. From what I've learned that is the purpose of the surge tank on the orginal systems. The only van I have with a V8 is my 65 and it still has the L6 down flow rad in it, no shroud,no surge tank and a 6 blade fiberglass fan. Don't have any temp problems until the outside temp reaches the upper 90's, but I only have driven it around town so far(no road trips). A local rad shop here told me that they could custom make what ever I needed in Alum but the price was around $300. Hope this helps you make a decision.

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    Post by BvrWally Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:20 am

    I had Griffin Racing Radiators in Townville South Carolina fabricate a 5 -core rad in 1988. I sent them my dimensions, inlet/outlet,etc. The price at that time was a special deal, as a guy I worked with son worked there! I cannot reveal the details do to the deal. I do wish I had a shroud, but it runs well but too I need to swap out my fan for a 7 blade, or so a friend has recommended to me?
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:17 am

    This would of been the top of the line stock radiator set up. Do you have the 2 core supports, surge tank and shroud?


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    Post by mo_1040 Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:41 pm

    The van originally came with a straight six so I don't have either of the core supports or a surge tank for a crossflow radiator...I do have a shroud that I think with a little modification would work. I was thinking of fabricating the core supports.
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:05 pm

    I think that aluminum radiator is too wide,,,,its probably for a pick up. It shows the core size but what about the tanks? You need to find out what the total size of the radiator is from them before you buy it.


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    Post by mo_1040 Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:12 pm

    Your right donivan...I emailed them and it's way too big!!! Went to O'reily auto parts store and the one they have listed for my van is way too big also... what's wrong with all these places and websites that think a 31-33" wide radiator is a direct replacement????
    I think I'll get a universal aluminum radiator and have the filler neck blocked off. I really like the surge tank look so I am going to go that route... I'll have one made up... My brother in law works at a place that makes radiators for the mine trucks:)
    Donivan... I was wondering if you could post some good pics of the surge tank with hose fitting sizes???? I would really appreciate it if you could...
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:21 pm

    OK,,,,,the big fitting is 3/4",,,,and goes right down to the radiator to fill it,,,,,,,,,the little one is 1/4", its a recirc line, probably goes to the thermostat housing to purge any air in the system.....


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    Post by donivan65 Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:31 pm

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    Post by wideload Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:42 pm

    The 1/4" line hooks to the metal piece that's in the center of the two piece top radiator hose. That's what bleeds the traped air back to the surge tank.

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    Post by Guest Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:55 pm

    I'm a bit slow, but I'd always heard that Aluminum Radiators would 'react', or some kind of electrolisys between the iron of the engine block, and the aluminum of the radiator, much like copper and (usually galviniuzed) steel pipes do in home plumbing.
    Even with a dielctic union, water being a conductor, electrolisys still happens.
    But, I'm probably 30 years behind current info on this subject.

    What every you decice to do, it must include the bellypan/shroud the factory put in place.
    There simply will not be enough air flow to any radiator without the bellypan.
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    Post by G-Man Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:29 am

    I'm just throwing this out there??? If the stock 2nd gen radiator is 19" high by 28" wide couldnt you go with a taller radiator like 24" tall if you skipped using the surge tank???
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:08 am

    The stock V8 radiator, (crossflow), sits on its sides and is tucked real low into those bump outs under the doghouse under the front seats. Now the 6 cylinder one, (downflow), is like 22" square and while it wastes the bump out space on the sides, it goes all the way from the doghouse cover down to the belly pan. I guess you could modify things for a different radiator, but getting a 3 row core put into your tanks would probably be the best you can do if you want to use a downflow stock radiator in a Van.


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    Post by mo_1040 Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:35 pm

    I was thinking of that too about a downflow radiator...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Vintage-Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__37-38-39-40-CHEVY-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR-2-ROW-NEW_W0QQitemZ280312545172QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ3360QQddiZ2811QQadnZVintageQ20CarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item280312545172&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

    Or..
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Vintage-Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__49-50-51-52-53-54-CHEVY-CAR-ALUMINUM-RADIATOR_W0QQitemZ270345781745QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ3360QQddiZ2811QQadnZVintageQ20CarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item270345781745&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

    This last one looks like it would be perfect... for a downflow radiator...
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    Post by mo_1040 Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:19 pm

    Aluminum vs copper/brass...
    I have heard alot of debate on aluminum radiator saying they corrode and are worthless...
    Just my two cents worth... I have never heard complaints about aluminum heads or water pumps? As far as cast iron blocks reacting with aluminum is a myth... Does anyone know of a new car or truck that doesn't have an aluminum radiator? Where corrosion starts is when the two metals are in direct contact with each other and these parts are usually separated by gaskets. Cast iron is very different from "steel" also. Usually steel lines going to a radiator are separated by brass fittings which doesn't react to aluminum. Steel corrodes fast unless protected with some kind of coating or anodized. For example...If you were to take a plane ol' piece of pipe with no coating and used it to lengthen a radiator hose... It would corrode and those pieces of rust, corrosion, would make it to the aluminum and start reacting with the aluminum causing premature failure...
    Just thought I'd give my two cents worth about aluminum vs copper/brass...

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