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    Post by 66chevyvan Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:31 pm

    hey im bran new to vintage vans, i got a beautiful 1966 chevy van panal. pics will be coming. she was a parts van with a frozen vin. no insurence no temps, i have to V. I. it befor i can even enjoy it.
    anyway so i went to work on the front end. i replaced the king pins,shox,end links,steering drag link,tie rod ends and wile i was doing the leaf spring bushings i noticed that one of the front eyes was larger then all the rest. working outside and in a rush i didnt notice it taking it out. i really want to confirm if it went on the front right?
    can anyone tell me were the large eye on the front leafsprings of the first gen chevy van goes? really would make my mounth.
    thanks everyone.
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    Post by Digz Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:51 pm

    I'm pretty sure it goes on the right front, see what the old pros say here..
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    Post by Lyrad Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:22 pm

    Howdy, Not sure on the spring thing, but Welcome to the site. Some one here will have the answer for you. Is that a current picture of your Girl? She is a beauty. Enjoy
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:25 pm

    I have seen a couple of vans with that larger bushing on the passenger side,,,,I guess they figure they need it because the engine and passenger sit over it,,,,,the spring shop says someone must of changed it,,,,,But I really doubt the guy that keeps doing it really gets around to all those vans,,,,,that bushing messes up my system,,,,,



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    Post by 66chevyvan Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:05 pm

    thanks for the welcome. these are the latest pic of my baby.
    i have already replaced everything on my front end. all my bushings, steering drag link, tie rods, every fit great except the sway bar bushing needed to be trimmed a bit. i even had the springs re-arched to factory spec. when i dropped her on the wheels i noticed a inch or so lean to the pass side. this is why i question myself on the big leaf spring eye being in the ft rt? or not.
    she has a lot of rust and ill keep good pics going through out this project.
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:23 pm

    Was it leaning before? does it have the same amount of leafs on each axle,,,,,is the front axle bent and the camber messed up? I guess you could switch sides on the front springs and see if the lean follows the spring,,,,,
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    Post by HandiVanMan Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 am

    Welcome to Vintage Vans!!! Good looking van!!! Hope ya get it on the road soon man.
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    Post by wildbillinva Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:46 am

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    this is what my front axle looked like when i took it out of my '66 chevy van. you can see the pass side front spring eye is larger than the other side. i just thought it wasn't the original spring. there were other differences from side to side. i assummed it had been in an accident at some time.
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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:35 am

    I can't confirm it , but I've taken it to be a "66" thing.I have seen it before myself and have heard it mentioned, I have yet to drop the front springs on my 66, but I think they have already been replaced once so not sure if they would be stock anyway. Still can't figure out why they needed to do that... scratch
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    Post by wildbillinva Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:55 am

    affraid
    also remembered that the pass side spring was about 3/4" longer than the drivers side. it was the same distance from the eye to the axle location pin, but from the pin to the shackel end was different.
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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:30 am

    66chevyvan,
    We have discussed the lean issue many times before with many possibilities for why they lean. I have a 65 and 66. they both have that 1" lean. Even after replacing the springs with brand new ones. I even had the 66 springs made with an extra leaf and 1" extra arch. The van sits much higher but still has the slight lean.....

    I did go out and measure the distance from the ground to the front and rear hanger bolts once on the 66 after the new springs were installed and found they were the same height from the ground indicating it was not a spring issue but a chassis issue. I never got around to measuring the hanger distance from the frame but that just sound a little to weird to me. Rolling Eyes

    Just another one of the mysteries I guess..... Cool

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    Post by 66chevyvan Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:58 pm

    no it never had a lean to the rt before. ill check the amount of leafs on each spring, ft axle has been bumped once or twice but its not bent. camber is ok i haven't checked it yet, same with the tow.
    i didnt know that the rt spring was longer from the pin to shackle thats good to know.
    i read some posts about the lean issue, im going to do some measuring and see if i can figure it out. driving me nutz.
    thanks everyone youve been really helpful. seems like i put it in the right spot after all.
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:34 pm

    Well the center pin aint in the center of the springs,,,,its 22" from one side and 26" from the other end,,,,and the 26" ends go towards the BUMPERS,,,,,,
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    Post by 66chevyvan Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:03 pm

    of course the pins arnt in the center. sorry i dont know what i was thinking. i knew that.
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:57 pm

    I am just pointing out some things to check on your springs,,,,,see if the measurements from the center pin to the center of the bushings are 22 and 26 inches and the 26's are the ones that are towards the outside of the van,,,,,lets see if you have something different ,,,,so basically the van did not lean until you changed the front springs?
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    Post by m1dadio Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:24 pm

    Just to throw in.

    I had my front springs re arcked , when I picked them up I did not notice if one had a bigger bushing then the other but I did notice the Dum A who arcked then did not do them both the same. As I suspected after installing them my van is about an inch higher on the driver side.

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    Post by 66chevyvan Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:45 pm

    both my springs are 26 inches from the pin to the front bolt. the drivers spring from the pin the the rear shackle is 22 inches but the pass is 22 3/4
    it always could be a bad spring guy. i wouldnt rule it out.
    seems a bunch of the first gens have the pass lean.
    the guy i bought my van off has a restored 66 with lowering springs and no lean...
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:44 pm

    So are you up to switching the front springs??? The engine is closer to the right side,,,,,,maybe by switching the springs it could level out,,,,,,(or get worst) or not change because you have another problem,,,,,do you have a sway bar pulling that side down,,,,,,if you jack the rear wheels off the ground, does it still lean?
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    Post by m1dadio Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:35 pm

    "if you jack the rear wheels off the ground, does it still lean?"

    Smart thinking Don!
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    Post by BILLS66 Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:52 pm

    m1dadio, If your on the throttle hard all the time does it lean then? BILL hehehe
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    Post by 66chevyvan Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:57 pm

    i dont want to swap the springs now that i know for sure that the bigger eye should be on the pass side. i will jack the rear up and check if it is still leaning but the vans in the air right now...
    my van is not drivable at the moment so i cant check the throttle theory..
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    Post by ChevyVanMan1 Tue May 01, 2012 4:09 pm

    I too have heard theories on the lean. Might be because the doghouse and engine are off center. Might not lean when loaded. However, these old vehicles almost always have an assortment of parts thrown in over the years and even at the factory they weren't too worried about symetry. Not unusual for even the fancy cars to have more chrome on one side or the other. Would bet that big eyed spring is out of something else. I'm a little older than my van and I lean more--hence I just don't care. Enjoy!
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    Post by m1dadio Tue May 01, 2012 6:14 pm

    Hey Bill can you see it leaning?
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    Post by m1dadio Tue May 01, 2012 6:29 pm

    My 65 van has the same size front leaf springs on both sides.

    The whole reason they offset the Engine was to compensate for the drivers wieght to make the van be level when driven as it had been originally intended that there would only be a driver in the van. Its posible that when they went to sportvans and a wider acceptance of a passenger side seat they realized the passanger side needed A slightly heavier spring????

    Hey Don, That picture you put up with all the bushings, is that for a 1st or 2nd gen?
    I need to replace the front eye bushings of my 1st gen rear springs and I am looking towards those aftermarket bushings but cant seem to find the right combo on th "Energysuspention" site. Do you have a part number for them?

    That HB 930 # comes up as a good number on the NAPA site

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    Post by BILLS66 Tue May 01, 2012 7:10 pm

    M1D,I see no leaning in the video so the answer to any leaning problems is more throttle ! Bill

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