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    Post by veefre Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:51 pm

    The guy who sold me this '67 108 G20 suggested it would be a good idea to convert the 2 barrel Rochester 2G carb on the 283 V8 to fuel injection.

    I found an article on the web that suggests doing a thottle body, rather than a tuned port, fuel injection conversion is much simpler and works just as well for street applications.

    Here's the link:

    http://www.automedia.com/TBI_Fuel_Injection_Conversion/pht20001001fi/2

    Anybody done this conversion? I'm planning on keeping the 283, since its stock to the vehicle, and seems to run reasonably well (although it might need a rebuild).

    Any pitfalls I should know about?
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    Post by m1dadio Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:44 pm

    I am doing a tuned port inj engine complete conversion on my 65. I have read alot about all the options. I think the TBI will be alot easier. Be aware, any conversion of an older engine will inprove drivability for sure and power and probobly fuel economy but you will not get the fuel economy of a newer model engine that came with the injection system. You prety much would have to change everything to get fuel milage of say a 1988 vehicle. I would say go for it. and use the distributer , exhaust manifolds and computer from the same vehicle. If the doner intake manifold has the EGR valve, use it, that alone will be good for 3 to 8 or so highway miles per gallon.
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    Post by veefre Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:59 pm

    Thanks, good info.
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    Post by panelmanrd Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:48 pm

    i know it has been a long time since you started this thread.
    but me and a friend just converted a 250 six to throttle
    body injection from a 1992 chevy astro van, had a machinist
    make an adapter for the tbi unit. It was a little bit of custimizing
    to the throttle pivot in the dog house, we also put the 700r4
    in this 67 90in, went from a gas eating, poor starting, always
    tinkering with pita, to a very nice responsive vehicle to drive.
    If I were going to fi a small v8 I would use a tbi set up from
    a 88-92 chevy truck or camaro or firebird with a 305 and you
    should be just fine.
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:46 pm

    here are some pics of the injected six, i think i got it to work,
    we also removed the three on the tree for a 700r4.
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    Post by Scott Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:00 pm

    What did put in to choose your gear on the 700r4?
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:08 pm

    ok lets try once again
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:10 pm

    I give up, do not understand why it is so complicated to host a bloody pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:21 pm

    not sur just what you are asking me?
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:22 pm

    Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1417
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:25 pm

    hey got it to work, operator error as usual, I need a beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1418ally
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:28 pm

    Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1419
    here is the trans mount that I made works pretty good
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:30 pm

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    here is another shot of the trans mount
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:36 pm

    Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1420
    all of these injection parts came off a 92 chevy astro 4.3 runs very
    good with no modifacations to the prom. we used a late model cavalier
    auto shifter mounted on the engine cover havent got a shot of that
    yet.
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:41 pm

    the great part about this set up is if you ever wanted to
    go to a 4.3 v6 it`s just plug and play!!!!
    or a v8 you would need the fuel injection manifolds
    and a v8 computer prom and you are done.
    no more heat soaked flooded carbs, or that nasty
    fuel smell we all have grown to love. LOL
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    Post by itruns Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:09 pm

    SWEET!
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:23 pm

    So what is that sender next to the oxygen sensor,,,,,,,a knock sensor,,,,,coolant sensor for an electric fan??
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:29 pm

    that is the knock sensor.
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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:35 pm

    coolant sensor is in the thermostat housing, he is running the
    stock 4 blade fan for the six. truck is a real blast to drive.
    goes into second gear at about 20 mph if you are just putting
    and hits 2nd at about 35 to 40 if you are into it hard, and shirps
    the tires too, we also put a b&m shift improver kit in the trans.
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    Post by m1dadio Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:22 pm

    Now that is some nice engineering work. Beautiful job on the trany mount. Excelent job on the TBI conversion.

    M1D
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    Post by Scott Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:04 am

    Scott wrote:What did put in to choose your gear on the 700r4?[/color]

    Sorry, posted that question and have been buried at work..

    You have answered the question, I was wanting to know what shifter you used. I see now that you used a late model cavalier
    auto shifter mounted on the engine cover.

    Thanks for the follow-up..
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:11 am

    So what about the rest of the system,,,,,,did it have,,,,,,AND,,,,,did you use the EGR? and the MAP and MAT sensors? How about a check engine light to let you know if the system is working? And is it working,,,,,did you snff test the exhaust to see what the mixture is? Seems like that knock sensor is for the electronic timing but you still have that mechanical distributer in there. So like, where did you draw the line on how much Astro had to be installed?
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    Post by panelmanrd Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:32 pm

    we do not have an egr sys on this engine, we are not using the
    canister pruge valve or the egr vacuum sol. the ignitiion timing
    is set between 6 and 10 btdc at idle in park. We grounded the
    park neutral wire from the ecm convincing the ecm that it was in
    park all the time, in that mode the ecm will never run an egr flow
    test or the canister purge test so you never get a code for those
    components. the dist is an hei from a 250 six, I used the original
    pick up coil and mounted the 4.3 v6 module on the unnderside
    of the dist. My s[can [urUsers\user\Pictures\Picasa\Exports\Mike`s fuel injected 250\HPIM1447l=https://servimg.com/view/14537130/22]Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1428tool reveals that the sys is working almost
    perfectly. Just about the same as an astro 4.3 at idle and at
    highway speeds. Here is a shot of the mods to the dist.
    I also removed the vacuum advance unit from the dist and
    used one of the screw holes to hold the pick-up coil from rotating.
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    Post by panelmanrd Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:46 pm

    the scan data shows that the o2 sensor is cycling between
    rich and lean like it is supposed to do, we are also running the
    stock map sensor, the electronic spark module, and of course
    the stock ecm. We used the astro wiring harness, cutting out
    the torque converter lock up circuit the canister purge circuit,
    and the egr vacuum sol circuit. We didn`t use the speed sensor
    from the astro because it gets that information from the astro
    speedometer buffer, and was easier to put a lock-up conversion
    kit in the trans and feed the trans 12 ignition power. the Kit I got
    on ebay was very inexpensive and very simple to install.
    these tbi units don`t use a manifold air temp sensor, so was
    one less to worry about. I haven`t run a 4gas analizer up the
    pipe but I`m sure it will pass california`s emissions.
    I followed this van on a thourough test drive having him floor
    the throttle at about every aspect I could think of and I never saw
    a puff of black smoke from the tail pipe. He was getting about 8 mpg
    with the carb, anxious to see the change in mileage with this sys.
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    Post by panelmanrd Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:49 pm

    [img]http://i63.servi[url=https://servimg.com/view/14537130/25]Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1431mg.com/u/f63/14Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim1432/53/71/30/hpim143Early fuel injection conversion? Hpim14330.jpg[/img][/url
    here a few mor shots of the throttle and the detent cables, and the slight modification
    to the pivot in the dog house

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