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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    Post by donivan65 Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:58 pm

    Ritchie says says his speedometer don't work, so I says, "No Problemo, lets count the bolts in the rear end cover and see if we can tell what gear ratio you have so we can get the right speedo gear for the trans" Then the problems start,,,,,,there are no bolts in the cover,,,,,there ain't even a cover! It loads from the front end. Richie says his brake pedal feels funny,,,,,,,those look like 11" drums on that rear end to me,,,,,,are they even the 4 3/4" bolt pattern? I think the brake balance of nature is upset from having the bigger shoes, drums and wheel cylinders on the rear,,,,,,and what do you order parts for? So talk about turning something simple into complications,,,,,,,so what can that rear end be out of? (to be continued,,,,,,)


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    Post by 61econoline Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:43 pm

    looks like an 8 or 9 inch ford
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    Post by m1dadio Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:26 pm

    I don't remember the ford as having a drain plug in the housing. That looks like the big spicer that was in the dodge and crysler.

    how about showing the front view?
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:06 pm

    About all I could see from the front was that he needs a pinion seal,,,,,,,,He will take better pictures once he sees this post. HOWEVER,,,,,,a Ford guy wanted to know why the wide rim was on the front and the thin rim was on the back at Econowest,,,,,,,,,so the plot thickens,,,,,,,I did see a stud and bracket on the right rear of the tube for a traction bar or link,,,,,,,



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    Post by panelmanrd Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:40 pm

    looks a lot like the rear end the tri 5 chevys use
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    Post by Guest Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:57 pm

    Looks like a spicer from a late 50's chevy P/U.
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    Post by m1dadio Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:17 pm

    well it is not a ford 8 or 9, they both had a five bolt on front bearing cap.

    I think it is a spicer, who knows what its from, they were used in alot of vehicles including dodge and AMC

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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:21 am

    With that pan hard stud wouldnt it have been off a coil spring set-up?
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    Post by 61econoline Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:21 am

    front view changes my mind not an 8 or 9 inch ford
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    Post by RodStRace Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:09 am

    Not a Ford!
    ID the ends
    http://www.steeltechsolutions.com/REAR_AXLE_ID.html
    Here are some GM drop-outs
    http://www.ringpinion.com/DiffList.aspx?SearchMode=Diff&TypeID=5
    MAybe that will get you closer to what was actually swapped in.
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    Post by richie61 Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:38 am

    I think I have the Johnny Cash van, built from parts the PO could get. Will clean it up a little better tonight if the rain stops and take more pictures. It didn't whine at all at 65,,,well I think I was going 65....but without a speedo I was just keeping up with the others. I changed the plastic gear in the transmission using a 66 part but it didn't work. Will have to get the numbers off it to see what it came from as well. The drive shaft has junkyard markings that say 66 chevy van so at least that's right. As for the wide rim, the passenger has the wide rim on the rear, maybe they were mixed up when he put new tires on it?? will swap them. Thanks for your help guys, the mystery continues..........
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    Post by richie61 Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:00 pm

    Here are some new photos including ID numbers and the transmission stamp. If anyone can let me know also what year my trans was made so I can find the right speedo gear it would be appreciated. I also found a gas leak about halfway up...the fun never stops. Ran out of sunlight so I'll take the back wheel off tomorrow night to see what other mysteries I can find.
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    Post by m1dadio Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:54 pm

    Good pictures! I see the cat is helping you clean the grease off.

    Does that tag under the bolt say to use limited slip diff lube? Thats kind of a tag is what you genneraly see on posi rear ends.

    I think your drive shaft is too short by about 2+1/2", you shouldn't have that much yoke hanging out and you can see it falling on an angle, likely because its not into the bushing enough. (look at the shiny part, its on an angle to the seal) Do you get bad vibs when on the highway?
    How long does that shaft measure center to center of the cups?

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    Post by richie61 Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:06 pm

    It's been on the freeway once when I went to Econowest on Saturday and it didn't vibrate much. I took that tag off to see if there were any numbers on it but it was blank. Hoping to figure out what the heck I have under there. The cat is Oscar the van cat. He sleeps in there at night. I don't have door locks yet so my anti theft device is removing the battery so he gets in through the bottom.
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:05 pm

    ,,,,,,now there is a driveshaft just waiting to fall out!,,,,,,
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    Post by richie61 Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:35 pm

    That's just what I wanted to here!!! Wrong rear end....wrong driveshaft that's just great. Im done for the night!!
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:53 pm

    Well,,,,,,the driveshaft is probably right,,,,,it's the rear end that is too short,,,,,,,the stock driveshaft is 23" from the centers of the cups. I would pull the u bolts off the flange on the rear end and pull the driveshaft out and see how much yoke is actually sticking into the trans housing. Mark the yoke at the seal 1st and see if that is the middle of the yoke once you pull it out. You never know, there could some kind of long yoke in there. And replace that leaking output seal while it is right there in front of your face,,,,,,,,,,
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    Post by richie61 Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:19 pm

    Can anyone help me identify these codes?

    Transmission......GM 9 3859896 E136.......3 speed Saginaw

    Axle...................GM J182 3725899

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    Post by Guest Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:57 pm

    I have an origanal 10 bolt in the parts van.
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    Post by richie61 Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:09 pm

    There is nothing wrong with it except it's not original and the drums are to big and I don't know what it's from for parts and so on and so on.....the driveshaft appears to be a little short as you saw in the pictures. Going to take it off tonight and see how far it goes in and I'll go from there. Shoot me a PM and let me know what you want for it since I have to make the trip anyway. After big noers problems that's the last thing I want to happen. Still snowing up there???
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    Post by Guest Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:41 pm

    Stopped late yesterday. Nice and sunny today, this time of year most storms melt off in 3-4 days. Hope its melting fast at home, gettin tired of ice.
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    Post by Guest Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:01 pm

    looks like an impala or big car rear end 58-60 could be olds, the brake bias is no biggy you can use an adjustable porp valve but that yoke is way to far out, it would suck huge to do an end-o when that thing drops out and acts like a pole vault. pale
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    Post by richie61 Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:15 pm

    Polevaulting on the freeway is not my idea of fun either. Don already suggested the prop. valve, thanks. I'm going to a dual master cylinder anyway so I can add it when I work on that. Still trying to find out what year my transmission is so I can get the right speedometer gear. I googled the numbers and was getting 67 camaro and chevelle info but not sure if it's correct? Will post some more pictures tonight when I pull the driveshaft and rear wheel off.
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    Post by RodStRace Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:59 pm

    Speedo gear is related to 2 things; tire diameter and rear axle ratio.
    Part numbers, OE application and any other junk will not be the final answer!
    You can measure the rollout of the rear tires by making a mark on the tire and the ground, then rolling it forward or back until the tire mark points at the ground again. Do the math to find out how many revolutions per mile.
    You can figure the axle ratio by counting how many axle turns per one driveshaft revolution. Check online for the differences between open and posi checking and how to tell what you have.
    These will be needed along with the transmission speedo drive gear (this should be a common number) to get the right driven gear.
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:40 pm

    You need to check the rear bushing, that yoke could of worn it out,,,(that sure will account for your seal leaking,) and just maybe there is enough deflection in that output shaft to move the speedo drive gear away from the driven gear,,,,,,, your plastic gear aint turning and you have tried a couple of different ones in there,,,,,,,,,Sweet Dreams with this one, Ritchie,,,,,,,

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