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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    should this site be a membership / van club ?

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    Post by Donn Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:45 pm

    I was just wondering if this site should be changed to more of a "van club " site with members paying a yearly dues and have some sort of membership rules?
    Maybe a registration?
    My thinking here is a club format would,
    1. Dues would pay expenses for the site
    2. Registration would identify everyone here.
    3. Create a "probation " time before you could sell on the site.
    4. Limit spammers

    I know most sites have some sort of registration before you can post. Maybe a club / site sticker or hat etc.. at a cheap price to members to also help with site expenses

    Has this ever been thought about before?
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    Post by Joe Van Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:21 pm

    I am Starting to think it should Be Too Many Trouble Maker's SNOOPING Around Here Lately.!!!..Count Me In. Smile ....
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    Post by wideload Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:48 pm

    There is a place to become a site supporter but a lot of people never see it. Click the tab at the top of the forum page that says Website. There you can find the option to support the site  and a list of supporters,broken down by the years the site has been in existence. It's always been open for anyone to sign up but the most supporters in one year so far has only been a little over 50. That's really sad since we have over 2,500 registered users. If you had to be a supporter to participate there sure wouldn't be many here.

    That type of decision ultimately would be up to Vanish since he's the one responsible for the site even being here, along with the help of Chebby and a few others.

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    Post by EconoUSAparts Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:28 pm

    I'm not one for the club but if you set up a yearly due of 5 bucks a site member and be suspended if more than say 60 days late( we all run into tough times) you would probably do well. That's much better than relying on the 50 or so who contribute of which I'm one. At only $5 each you would do much better and probably have extra money for hats, decals, shirts, or whatever.
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    Post by mikeysly Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:27 pm

    there is a site like that, VCVC and they lost my dues twice and didn't even know to alert me or amend the situation! needless to say i don't even bother with them as this site makes VCVC irrelevant! don't fix what aint' broke unless you want to eventually consign yourself to the dustbin of history, much like i did with VCVC. furthermore, if anyone associated with VCVC wants to make it right i've been waiting for over 10 years! just sayin' Vintage Vans is eminently practical and applicable and i hope that we don't make it more exclusive and inaccessible. LOVE VINTAGE VANS just the way you are!
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    Post by jimthefred Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:29 pm

    All you would have is a very small members list if you make this a pay site.Limited exchanges of information and new ideas will kill it. Why mess up a good thing? You can always start a new site if you want a good ole boys club with dues. Im seeing a bit of a cliquish mentality on this forum lately and to me thats a sign & not a good one
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    Post by Vanish Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:49 pm

    VintAGE-Vans ... it’s Really not about the Money .. Never has Been .... it’s way More Complicated then That !!!!! it’s about the Vans ... and friendships .... we are Lucky here to have some really Knowledgeable .. Like Minded People here that Share there Ideas ... and go out of the way to help other people ..... and in some cases Come over and help you out .. if they can see your in to Deep !!!!! it’s about keeping these Old Vans on the road .... if you have been here awhile .. you will know we Don’t promote ... Calendars T-Shirts (MEMBERSHIP) or really any thing else ... in the beginning we tried to sell Shirts and calendars ..... Guess what Happened ... We Got stuck with them !!!!! That Right .. No body Bought them !!!!! That’s not to say we don’t sell Shirts ... We Do .... if you want one Let Chebby Know .... She's Got em .... But has never tried to push them ... we appreciate all the members here .... whether You help support the site monetarily or Not ..... Over the years .. we have had a lot of people come in the front Door .... some have Gone and some are still here ..... Chebby has Busted her ass Keeping this place running smooth ... she's had people in Box her telling her .... hey We love this place .. others Have Threatened her Life ..... others have said why should I send You Money ???? Her answer is I NEVER ASKED You to ... People Don’t send Money because we ask them to !! it’s because they want to ... they Find this site Valuable as a resource ..... all kinds of weird shit She puts up with .... another example of the way thing Go ... we spend a lot of Money .. Keeping a Gallery here ..... it’s the Biggest Picture library of Earlys on the Net ... But that’s only Because it’s Been up so Long ... But all in all ... Nobody Really Posts in it No More .... Compared to the amount of people that are here .... Bottom Line is I would hate to see money being a Factor Here .. Hell Life's Hard enough ...... if you think You can Help Keep The site going .. Please do so ... But if you cant .. by all means DON’T !!!!! if it was a money thing ... Mike Your Right .. this would be a Lonely Place !!! with nobody sharing there Ideas ... or the Bigger Picture .. Keeping these old Vans on the Road !!!!!!!!!!! it’s about the vans ........ always has Been here at VV.COM .............

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    Post by donivan65 Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:10 pm

    I think that if anyone  feels  that they are not getting their $5 donation worth that they ask for here, should try and find a better deal......
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    Post by Joe Van Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:37 am

    The LAST thing I want to do is start another Club since having to restart mine after 20 years..(est 1986) But I think 5 bucks a Year is fair to help keep the site together and for expenses...But keep everything else the same... If it wasn't for this site and all the info my Early would still be in pieces in the garage and I would still be looking for parts... Smile ...JMO...THANKS VV... cheers ..I am ordering my VV T shirt and sending my donation Today...


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    Post by Twinpilot001 Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:09 am

    $5.00 Bucks - sure !! When during any month=?? dont we have 5 bucks?? We pay internet connection fees & many other bills - why?? because we enjoy the life & what we want to do.- simple as that!! I also think that measeley =5 bucks would do 1 valuable thing= eliminate those that just come here to sell a part/van that they dont care about & some dont have the intergrity the rest of us have!! Make it mandatory to be a member by charging that 5 bucks =before anyone could post anything for sale!! Just my Thoughts!! On the other hand=?? has anyone considered getting an ="Entitlement" from Obama --for the site-hehe= lol! lol! lol! 
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    Post by vanner68 Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:18 am

    mikeysly wrote:there is a site like that, VCVC and they lost my dues twice and didn't even know to alert me or amend the situation! needless to say i don't even bother with them as this site makes VCVC irrelevant! don't fix what aint' broke unless you want to eventually consign yourself to the dustbin of history, much like i did with VCVC. furthermore, if anyone associated with VCVC wants to make it right i've been waiting for over 10 years! just sayin' Vintage Vans is eminently practical and applicable and i hope that we don't make it more exclusive and inaccessible. LOVE VINTAGE VANS just the way you are!

    'Dues' are voluntary at VCVC, so not sure what the issue is....
    But I am not involved in the business end.


    Making dues mandatory or adding a paid members only forum was suggested by me over at VCVC and was nixed by Smiley, in that his mission for the site was the same as V-V, to share information.

    Vanning is unique in the automotive hobby in that it's never been about the money...
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    Post by G-Man Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:32 am

    I agree with whatever Vanish & chebby what to do. Good thing I'm not in charge $5 bucks is a joke, I would be starting at $20
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    Post by A100 Wrench Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:03 am

    People snooping around the internet and stirring the pot(site) can provoke some thoughtful responses from others that are also on the site.It also can lead to some mind numbing run around the Mulberry bush.Sorry,Old Boy's Club leads to stagnation and limited views or responses.
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    Post by VCVCSmiley Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:13 am

    I believe I am qualified to answer this question.

    Should V-V become a "van club" is one question. Should V-V become a "pay site" is another question entirely.

    I'll address the latter first. Changing V-V or any other a "pay site" creates that bubble to make it easier to weed out spammers and trouble-makers, but there are other ways to go about it, as we've done over at that "other" site. Making this site a pay site shifts the perception away from what you've set out to do, to a perception that it is a money first endeavor. So, to that end, I don't think it's a good idea. Obviously, this didn't start out as a money-making endeavor, so why muddy the waters now?

    Over at that other site, we have to check every new registration to make sure it's not a spammer, and we've caught thousands. In fact, without a method in place to weed them out, you can bet there's a percentage of past registrations that are spam. Many times they never post at all, but log in occasionally to see what email addresses and info they can glean from active members. It's a never-ending fight, and making members pay to access the site will eliminate this, along with many who will become disillusioned with your purpose, and act as a deterrent to future seekers of brotherhood and information.

    Should V-V become more of a "van club"? Well, that's a whole different can of worms. It certainly won't help you with spammers or troublemakers on your site. If there are people here who would regularly go to annual van events, regional club meetings, assist in club duties, elect officers, establish a charter and by-laws, form an LLC, and work to keep the club moving; then perhaps it should be considered.

    It has worked well for us. With over 200 active "dues-paying" members, we are currently the largest active van club in the country, if not the world. Not everyone on our site is a dues-paying member and they are not required to pay to participate in any club activities or be part of the group, wherever the club meets. We just hosted one of the most successful Council of Council meetings in the 37 years of its existence. It's a lot of work, but it's what we set out to do from day one. Our website is merely one facet of the club. It serves as that communal hub. You don't have to be a club member to use it.

    On a personal note, I was going through a devastating divorce that began about 9 years ago. It started with Hurricane Katrina and just continued to get worse. Quite a few who had contacted the club during that time went unanswered. Some were even quite rude about it. I understand. I've saved every single letter that's ever come to the club and I've since written personal responses and apologies to everyone who sent in membership requests that went unanswered. I only heard back from about half and of those, and all but two have stayed on as members. I publicly apologize to those who felt slighted. In my defense, all I can say is, don't get caught in a big hurricane and chase it with an ugly divorce.

    Having run our site for 16 years, I would strongly advise against the notion of requiring a "mandatory donation" in order to access the site. There aren't that many of us out there to begin with, so excluding people who want to be here based on cash would be a mistake, in my opinion.

    Mikeysly, let's talk.
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    Post by Donn Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 am

    jimthefred wrote:All you would have is a very small members list if you make this a pay site.Limited exchanges of information and new ideas will kill it. Why mess up a good thing? You can always start a new site if you want a good ole boys club with dues. Im seeing a bit of a cliquish mentality on this forum lately and to me thats a sign & not a good one
    Man you don't get it at all.."want a good olé boys club" how did you come up with that out of my post? "cliquish mentality" ?
    The idea behind my post was to help in raising funds to SUPORT this site. A registration would maybe protect members from sellers who sometimes join, sell less then perfect parts ,then disappear, yes I thought of this after recently getting burned.

    You might be right about "not a good sign" as I don't remember to many posts like yours in the past.
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    Post by vanner68 Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:15 am

    I'm on several forums in different interests, and honestly the only effective way to weed out bad sellers is to post up when you get burned.

    It sucks, but this isn't "Minority Report" where you can predict the future.
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    Post by Zuffen Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:21 pm

    Whilst not strictly a Vintage Vanner I am a Mod on another non-van Forum and we've been down the same route with the same questions.

    Our answer was install sufficient security to slow the Spammers (we get around 5 a year now) and limit sellers to Members with 10 or more posts on the Forum.

    I troll the net for information quite a lot and all too often I come up against Forums I can't access as I'm not a paid member and all I'm interested in is reading a single thread that may solve my problem.

    Had I had access I may well have remained a member and paid a fee.

    Running a Forum is much harder than most people think.
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    Post by hywaychild Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:53 pm

    Smiley and others have done a great job over the years keeping this site up I don't know how many of you have your own web page or have even tryed to start one .. Let me tell you IT'S a LOT of work !!!! Try it some time and not one of them pre made hack site's a real page were you need to learn HTML and java .. Then you will wonder why this site has been up all this time and free
    I'm disabled and live on a gov check of less then a 1/4 of what i used to make as a long haul trucker and i manage to donate a 00 spot  to both clubs ... There is no reason at all why every single member of this club can not make a donation with out being asked or there being a mandatory due's. unless your living in your truck and have no job maybe then i could see it .
     For the info members get here and the work it takes to keep this site running it should be 5 time the price .  I can't believe that there is even a question as to weather or not as to should you help out the sad part is this has to become a issue.  It is not going to hert any one of you to drop a few bucks to keep this site up. If it is maybe you need to sell your van and buy a bicycle.
    And that other member that was bitching that other club lost his due's next time use paypal so you have a record of it .
    If this was a biker club there would be no question about it pay your due's or leave your cut at the door on your way out ...
    Smiley has been the adm for many years now and if him and the others the work with him think it would help if this was a due's paying club it's fine by me !!!
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    Post by VCVCSmiley Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:13 pm

    I appreciate the understanding and encouragement, Hywaychild. I'm neither a moderator nor admin on this site, but you are correct, maintaining any forum like this is a lot of work. The site isn't very expensive, but the time you need to put in to keep one running smoothly can be consuming.

    To help keep out troublemakers and spammers, VCVC now requires that posters at least register on the board, so we don't have anonymous guests. Statistically, it hasn't lessened traffic and it helped us identify problems.

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    Post by jimthefred Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:24 pm

    Man you don't get it at all.."want a good olé boys club" how did you come up with that out of my post? "cliquish mentality" ?
    The idea behind my post was to help in raising funds to SUPORT this site. A registration would maybe protect members from sellers who sometimes join, sell less then perfect parts ,then disappear, yes I thought of this after recently getting burned.

    You might be right about "not a good sign" as I don't remember to many posts like yours in the past.[/quote]


    First its "SUPPORT",And now for my take on your attack. There is a core group of members here that post everyday in most of the forums. Now that the idea of making it a pay site was introduced the core members are for the most part all for it. This is pretty cliquish and would make it a good old boys cub. Between this and and other threads elsewhere on the forum is not a good sign to me-ME! Just because you may not agree with my thoughts doesn't make you an authority on whats right or good for every one else. Im trying to contribute to the board, A forum I really enjoy and your post is just the shit that peeves me.You think because you got burned its your job to save everyone from the same fate? So I will have to pay to lurk on a forum and make a post once and a while? So you can get on your soapbox  and berate me via the internet because I dont share your thoughts and agree with you 100%?Thats going to raise funds? Im sure you have good intentions, But thats what the road to hell is paved with. Oh, and I get "it", I just dont get you getting bent over it.  Sorry to the rest of the forum for having to read this crap. And to those that run this forum,Please dont change a thing,Its great as is!!! Thanks!
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    Post by G-Man Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:47 pm

    I haven't heard we aren't getting enough to cover the site bills, but pretty sure Bill and chebby will keep as is. But please when donating think of this, the form is free, but all the rest isn't so we don;t have to see pop up ads there a cost for that All the other pages links, gallery, etc.. cost money. Also not many sites problem can be fixed so quickly
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    Post by Donn Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:55 pm

    jimthefred wrote:Man you don't get it at all.."want a good olé boys club" how did you come up with that out of my post? "cliquish mentality" ?
    The idea behind my post was to help in raising funds to SUPORT this site. A registration would maybe protect members from sellers who sometimes join, sell less then perfect parts ,then disappear, yes I thought of this after recently getting burned.

    You might be right about "not a good sign" as I don't remember to many posts like yours in the past.


    First its "SUPPORT",And now for my take on your attack. There is a core group of members here that post everyday in most of the forums. Now that the idea of making it a pay site was introduced the core members are for the most part all for it. This is pretty cliquish and would make it a good old boys cub. Between this and and other threads elsewhere on the forum is not a good sign to me-ME! Just because you may not agree with my thoughts doesn't make you an authority on whats right or good for every one else. Im trying to contribute to the board, A forum I really enjoy and your post is just the shit that peeves me.You think because you got burned its your job to save everyone from the same fate? So I will have to pay to lurk on a forum and make a post once and a while? So you can get on your soapbox  and berate me via the internet because I dont share your thoughts and agree with you 100%?Thats going to raise funds? Im sure you have good intentions, But thats what the road to hell is paved with. Oh, and I get "it", I just dont get you getting bent over it.  Sorry to the rest of the forum for having to read this crap. And to those that run this forum,Please dont change a thing,Its great as is!!! Thanks![/quote]maybe you should just keep "lurking" your posting needs a little work.
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    Post by jimthefred Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:19 pm

    I just put my money where my mouth is and made a donation-Because I wanted to, not because I had to and because I like this site. Post have enough work done to it for you? tongue 
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    Post by EconoUSAparts Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:58 pm

    Nice to see we're all getting along:-) One big happy family......ok let's move on. Bigger fish to fry, if Chebby paid the electric bill that is.
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    Post by Magic Bus Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:51 pm

    Ive got a vintage-vans T shirt and its one of my favorites...I think one of the mods here could make a noteworthy thread highlighting what the T shirts look like, we all like pictures.

    I come here daily almost without fail, I think I need help

    I love and appreciate the site, many have commented how "civilized" this site is compared to others, and its true, and lets keep it that way. Ive visited other forums and it can at times turn into a name calling match getting ugly..

    .. try not to post when your drunk, thats  usually a bad idea.

    And FWIW I don't think it should be a pay site. Neutral


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