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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:03 am

    My van body has moved over to the left by about a 1/2 inch,,,,,the U bolts are twisted, the bushings are squashed and the shackles and center pin are bent,,,,,,I guess its time to rebuild the springs,,,,,

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    Post by VANagain Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:17 am

    Hmm. Looks like there's a lesson to be learned here: Never push your van sideways by applying tons of pressure to the side of your rear wheel!

    Is that whats been causing that sound you've been hearing?
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    Post by gp70 Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:35 am

    Who had the problem while towing another van, was that you Donivan. If it was you, could that have caused the bent parts. Couldn't remember who it was.
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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:26 pm

    I think you guys might be right,,,,,Not all my adventures turn out exactly the way I hoped,,,,,so lets rebuild these springs and set the Van back up to Top Dead Center,,,,,

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    Post by BvrWally Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:16 pm

    Looks good Don!!
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    Post by Kakster Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:31 pm

    I am curious what you used to strip the springs down to shiney metal?

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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:58 pm

    I did wire brush them and hit them with a flapper wheel,,,,,but then I painted them with my current most favorite color,,,,,Rustoleum Hammered finish Silver,,,,,,
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    Post by Kakster Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:18 pm

    The before vs after is quite a contrast. Was this a project you did today in only one day? Man I feel slow if thats the case. Also is the favorite color the can your hand reaches first?
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    Post by donivan65 Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:35 pm

    Hammered Silver is really my favorite paint right now,,,,,It used to be Ruddy Brown Primer like you see on my differential,,,,,I would paint all valve covers and oil pans that color. I started yesterday on these springs after I put my 3 speed back in and put all those other transmissions away. All I got left as of right now is to put my wheels back on and go cruising on the weekend. I ordered new nylon inserts and will spread the leafs apart and slip them in whenever I get them.

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    Post by donivan65 Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:52 am

    And this would be the bushings for the 1st Gen, 1964-66 leaf springs,,,,,,,,,,

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    Post by donivan65 Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:06 pm

    And this would be the plastic Inserts,,,,,,

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    Post by Scott Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:32 am

    My 68G only has two leafs on each corner, did yours originally have two?

    Mine need to be rebent, and I guess a few leafs added..

    Or is there another car that I can pull the springs off of that will bolt right in? And if the front and back spring sizes the same?
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:45 am

    The 2nd Gen Chevy Vans, 1967-70, came with 2 wider leafs in their springs, while the 1st Gens, 1964-66, like mine could have 7 leafs. You could have yours re arched or have new ones made at a spring shop. This guy Harry here sure took care of his front spring problem,,,,but he wanted to go up with his van,,,,,,

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    Post by Scott Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:41 pm

    The 2nd Gen Chevy Vans, 1967-70, came with 2 wider leafs in their springs, while the 1st Gens, 1964-66, like mine could have 7 leafs. You could have yours re arched or have new ones made at a spring shop. This guy Harry here sure took care of his front spring problem,,,,but he wanted to go up with his van,,,,,,

    I'm not ready to start working on the springs yet, but would like to know what I'm up for when I am ready.

    My plan at the moment is to put wide 15" Rims with a low profile tire all around. I'm guessing I will need to raise it all around so they don't rub the fenders.

    If it better to raise with longer springs, or blocks?
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:25 pm

    Blocks may not be legal,,,,,and the thing is, what is the real height of good stock springs? I have 5" raised rear shackles on my van,,,,,and thats just about how much my wheelwells sit above my rear tires. My springs are well worn,,,,,they have no arc,,,,they sit there flat. Any 4WD or offroad place should have or make springs,,,,,,thats what they are all about,,,,,,,Discount Tire has a calculator on their website that compares the actual height and width of all tires,,,,,these 17" Camaro tires and rims were actually smaller than my 15" tires and Mags,,,,,,(it depends on how much sidewall you have),,,,,,,So what is your rear riding height?.......Mine is 8",,,,,(from the bottom of the frame to the top of the differential tube),,,,,,,And what do you other 2nd Gen van owners have for that measurement and how many leafs do you have????



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    Post by Scott Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:33 pm

    At the moment my 2nd Gen. has 5.5" from the bottom of the frame to the top of the differential tube, 6" shackles, and no arc in the springs. But mine might be off a little since its currently on four jack stands, and the front is higher then the back.
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:06 pm

    The 1st Gen rear shackle bolts are 3" on center. But sometimes they use longer shackles to raise the vans when the springs start sagging. So I guess you can set the body height anywhere you want. This blue 2nd Gen looks like there is a slight arc in the rear springs and it looks like the wheelwells are about 3 " above the tires.

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    Post by Scott Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:13 am

    The springs on my 68chevy are looking a little weak these days, and I will be moving to 15” rims in the near future, so I’m kind of keeping an eye out for spring options.

    Poking around a pick a part yesterday I found a couple of 2.5” wide springs lying in the back of an old pickup. I don’t know what kind of car their off of, and they are 5’ long, where my van springs are 4’. A guy at the yard told me I needed to measure from the center pin out to make sure the axle centers in the wheel well. But if I just add the smaller spring pieces to my original springs, it should me fine. They would just come off the center pin so it wouldn’t matter. Right?

    What else should I consider, do I need to worry about the center pin, or plastic inserts, being different if these happen to have come off of a Dodge, or Toyota, or whatever? Or are they all made pretty much the same?

    I know I will need a longer center pin, longer U bolts, probably bushings, and plastic inserts.

    Do I need to worry about alignment when doing this, or does it all kind of bolt back into place?
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:59 am

    Length surely changes depending on how much those springs have lost their arc. So measuring from the center bolt (which ain't even in the center, they are offset 4") would be a more accurate way to judge spring sizes. Napa has center bolts. So how many leafs do you 2nd Gen guys have,,,,2,,,,3???? My 1st Gen has 6 leafs in the front, 7 in back,,,,,
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    Post by Scott Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:10 pm

    Mine has 2 in front, 2 in back, and almost no arch at all. I figured I could add a couple to what I have now and be good for a while. Dont know that I can re-arch the old ones myself, but I might not need to with a couple of more in there.
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    Post by Digz Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:40 pm

    I am tearing into whats left of my springs right now. front didnt go bad at all for removal, but on the rear , the front bolts are frozen in pretty solid and Im trying to figure a way to save the 2 top leafs and not ruin the sheetmetal spring mount.
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    Right now I'm thinking sawzall,, any better ideas?
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    Post by G-Man Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:07 pm

    Heat the bolt then touch the threads with a candle. The wax suck up the threads.
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:26 pm

    Those springs have that metal cartridge in them on the front. Does the bolt turn? Its kind of hard to get a sawzall in there but thats an option. But you need to get mean with it and push that bolt out. I use this U-joint/ ball joint installer/remover to push those bolts out. a big C-clamp could work,,,,,See if Autozone has a free one for you to use,,,,,,

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    Post by itruns Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:40 pm

    G-Man wrote:Heat the bolt then touch the threads with a candle. The wax suck up the threads.

    I have NEVER heard that one before G-man. That actually works?!
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    Post by veefre Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:41 pm

    I've got '67 Z28 Camaro 15" rims and wide tires on my '67 108 van, no problem with the tires rubbing the inside of the fenders or wheel wells. When I got the van it had well worn 225/60-15 tires. I replaced these with 215/65-15 tires. They are 1/2" taller and seem to steer a bit easier. Next time I might go to 235/60-15 tires - same height as the 65's but as wide as the 225's were.

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