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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    Post by Digz Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:13 pm

    Okay Dan , thanks ! So what are we going to tear apart when I come down then? Smile Hope it wasnt to much of a pain, I was puttin' a list of tools together in my head in case that shock mount bolt went tough. I was looking at the very few old pics I have of my H.S. 65 GMC and notiiced that had a small grill opening also, so it looks like they used up some 64 stuff in the GMCs to. Cant recall if that had a single or double latch now.
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    Post by gotavan Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:15 pm

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    I was suprized how easy it came out the bolts thru the axle aren't even stuck.
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    Post by savage Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:24 pm

    Don, All my 1st gens got chains on the lids?? 64 ND, 2, 65's(6 slots grill,1 latch) & the 66 Sportvan parts van.
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    Post by Digz Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:08 pm

    This is the shifter platform, just some 1/8 plate bent and bolted in.
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    Anybody got an old shifter boot for a mega shifter? they want more for a new one than I paid for the shifter ,, Smile
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    Post by G-Man Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:49 pm

    Any work on the custom doghouse today??? I have been enjoying this post alot.
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    Post by Digz Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:13 pm

    Not today, I went down to dans and picked up that 2nd gen swaybar and he talked me into taking that rough 2nd gen doghouse home, (just in Case I ever decide to try a swap again , Wink ) figure on hiding in the shop tomorrow seeing as the weather is gonna go to heck for a day. Yours is turning out nice though, like that smooth look. My bro said mine looked like the the front of an attack helicopter, Twisted Evil . I finally collected a couple wheels for the front and ordered some tires yesturday. Also ordered a rear disc brake conversion kit, 330.00 shipping free with an ebay coupon, had to do it!
    geek hope it fits okay Smile someday soon I hope to start putting all these parts together affraid
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    Post by G-Man Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:54 pm

    I here you on all the parts and wondering if you'll ever get that far. Your brother is right it does have a attack chopper look. (I think I have a name for your van. Huey what do you think )
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    Post by Digz Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:45 pm

    After trying out the disc parts I went to cleaning, this rear end has seen alot of moisture, I ended up pulling the differential all the way out and am now waiting on carrier bearings. got the new axle bearings and seals in tho, as ya can see here it was like brown mud in there after I got it opened up better to see.
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    Post by G-Man Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:07 pm

    that does need a cleaning, looks like pudding affraid still have to look at mine. Bet I find the same thing
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    Post by Nightmoves Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:35 pm

    Good thing you went inside Digz,you might had a problem on down the road.
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:49 pm

    So what about the axles?


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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:54 am

    Yeah, mine was the same way too but they clean up real nice.


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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:10 pm

    The axles dont look to shabby and the pinion bearings dont look bad for some reason unknown to me, the races are clear of any real corrosion and they spin quiet. I took the pinion out to check this and reinstalled with a new seal. But I did run into something in the Motors manual that has me wondering about the year of this rearend, If Im reading it right they didnt use the crushable spacer until 67? and thats what I have. can you shed any light on this Don, or is it just incorrect in the manual? I havent measured the distance across the centering pins yet, you have said there is like a 1/2 inch difference I think? What would it be if its an actual 1st gen axle?
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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:23 pm

    Ya know Digz. I was lookin at your pic's and thinking that my 66 rearend looks much different than yours. Figured with these old vans, who knows.....


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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:10 pm

    I know one thing, Next time I do something like this Im going to get a kit for the whole thing ,piecing it together as I go is seeming a bit more pricey.
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    Post by savage Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:31 pm

    Digz, Is there any sign that the spring perches were moved or rewelded??
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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:53 pm

    Digz wrote:I know one thing, Next time I do something like this Im going to get a kit for the whole thing ,piecing it together as I go is seeming a bit more pricey.

    I'm with you on that on I pieced mine as well... "Live and learn" Suspect


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    Post by donivan65 Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:57 pm

    You got a Positraction there,,,,,and my 65 had the crush sleeve,,,,,you can see the gear ratio stamped on the side teeth on the ring gear,,,,,,,the rear end code is like right where the brake hose goes into the bracket on the rear end,,,,,,,a 1st Gen measures 14 1/2" from the flange to the inside of the hole in the perch.......


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    Post by Digz Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:29 pm

    Okay heres what I got for measurements , 15 inches from housing to perch and about 47 inches center to center on the spring perches, the distance across the differential housing is slightly less than 16 and 1/4 inches, add 'em all together ya got almost 47 inches. And that 47" was also my center measurment on my front spring hangers.
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    HO 12 11 W
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    9-37 11 64 GM 1
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    I didnt have my camera with me when i did the pinion, but the spacer was shorter and had the bulge in the center compared to your pic Don.
    Kinda gettin the idea they used alot of different designs over a few years.
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:19 pm

    Here is a real pinion with its crush sleeve,,,,,crushed,,,,,1st time it has seen the light of day since 1965,,,,,,,so I would have to say all 1st Gens have a crush sleeve,,,,,,the Crash and Storage van rear ends are # H1512W and H1908W. They are 3:36, ( 11 - 37) ratios and not Positractions. What is your code?


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    Post by Digz Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:43 pm

    Mine is HO 12 11 W , This is an 8 and 7/8 ring gear to, that may make a difference. I couldn't find anything on line that makes sense of the numbers, except that maybe the "W" might mean it was made in Warren MI. The spacer in my pinion didnt go from bearing to bearing either , it bottomed out ona shoulder on the pinion shaft. has to be a difference in being a HD 12 bolt or something compared to the 10's.
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:07 pm

    You got a 10 bolt, right? It could be any kind of GM,,,,,
    The van ring gears are 8 1/2". The cover is about 10 inches from top to bottom on the rear end. So do you have any problems with it?
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    Post by savage Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:54 am

    Now I need to crawl under my van & look at what # I got ???
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:33 am

    Hey Tom, we need all the information that e can get. I am sure we can put it to some good use someday. I would have to say the 10 bolts are the 3:08 and 3:36 ratios and the 12 bolts are the 3:73 and 4:11 which have the wider 2 1/2" brake shoes. I am not so sure that there is too much of a difference between a 1st and 2nd Gen rear end assembly,,,,,,those perches look pretty much the same on the ones I got.. But just because it came off a 2nd Gen don't mean it is a 2nd Gen. So we need to keep documenting and make sense of what we find.
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    Post by donivan65 Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:40 pm

    I dug out the 67 Gmc rear end and the 65 Storage Van rear ends and put them together,,,,,,and they are the same,,,,,what went wrong with the plan? Is a 2nd Gen GMC using a 1st Gen rear end?????? Are the 1st and 2nd Gens really the same ? Or did someone change out the rear end already? One thing that is different is the vent mount,,,,some are on a hump. And even if 2nd Gens have wider springs, the center bolt holes in the perches would be in the same place if the frames were the same, but the shocks might be too close to the wider u bolts. So I am back to measuring a real 2nd again to find out the truth.........


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