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ac95

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Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:09 pm

My 67 108 Panel is in need of a new engine. Still havent received the mechanics estimate, but Im but I know it wont be cheap. My question is: Where would you draw the line at? I love my van, but I have to look at it as an investment. Is it worth fixing? Or am I better off selling the van As Is and moving on to another project? The van came stock with a 283 V8, and it currently has a 305. The van is rust free, Original, pretty straight, and isnt all hacked up on the inside. Everyones input is appreciated.

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savage

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by savage on Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:10 am

If your looking at it as a investment,You should probably sell it.
Most people(Vanner's) I know that have sold there vans don't get there $$ back,but to them its a hobby,or way of life. not a way to make $$$. Good luck with what ever you do with your van.
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vanner68

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by vanner68 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:09 am

you have to ask- do you still want to have an early?

Prices are rising, can you get a running van for less than swapping the engine? Even then, there's the 'devil you know' aspect- you know all of your van's idiosyncrasies, if you get another van what issues will it have?

Me- I'm currently on my 4th engine swap in my 68, the latest isn't because there is anything wrong with the 350 I have in there, I just want to put a 454 in it.

Oh, and as far as investments go, any car is a lousy investment. I know people who have sold cars for 6 figures and still lost money. Only way to make money is to buy, and then sell for more right away, without putting anything into it. I've done that a few times.
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jrdunn96

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by jrdunn96 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:10 pm

vanner68 wrote:you have to ask- do you still want to have an early?

Prices are rising, can you get a running van for less than swapping the engine? Even then, there's the 'devil you know' aspect- you know all of your van's idiosyncrasies, if you get another van what issues will it have?

Me- I'm currently on my 4th engine swap in my 68, the latest isn't because there is anything wrong with the 350 I have in there, I just want to put a 454 in it.

Oh, and as far as investments go, any car is a lousy investment. I know people who have sold cars for 6 figures and still lost money. Only way to make money is to buy, and then sell for more right away, without putting anything into it. I've done that a few times.

Sadly, this has been my experience too. But I still say, "Follow your bliss."
Jim
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:12 pm

The estimate for a Gasper rebuilt engine swap came in at $4800. 3 year 100K miles warranty. Ouch.
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jrinaman

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by jrinaman on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:11 am

and the resale value will be similar to what it was just before needing an engine. what are your intentions? fix and sell, second/hobby vehicle or daily driver? are you going to get $5k in use from it? how much to install a good used engine? what is wrong with current engine?
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:07 am

Ideally, Id like to keep it as a second/hobby vehicle. I will definitely use it every weekend, except for the hot summer days here in Los Angeles. Insurance is $100 a year on it, towing it back from the shop today. Gonna sit on it for a bit. Once the holidays pass Ill see where Im at with I. Even my wife is telling me to keep it. Im just struggling with the expense of it.
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Scott

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by Scott on Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:32 pm

Any decent replacement vehicle is going to cost you $5000 anyway.
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vanner68

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by vanner68 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:19 pm

I never understood what was so great about Jasper engines beyond a national warranty.

You can get a brand new GM crate engine for $2000

http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/12681429/10002/-1
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:52 pm

Thats good to know. Mechanic likes Jasper because of the warranty. That GM Craye Engine has the same warranty.
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pan58head

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by pan58head on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:52 am

even if you are a back yard mechanic you can change a small block, why not try it yourself and save a ton. $4k seems way to high
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vanner68

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by vanner68 on Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:55 am

I yanked the 350 out in 5 hours on Saturday, and installed the 454 on Sunday.





It's not necessary to cut the doghouse for a small block swap, I needed the room for the big block.
Biggest thing is you need a long boom on the cherry picker, mine extends to 8 feet.
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:33 pm

Does the SBC pull out/install complete with exhaust manifolds?
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vanner68

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by vanner68 on Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:10 pm

If you are not cutting the doghouse, or going out through the bottom (best to have a lift for that) you will need to remove the exhaust manifolds and bellhousing. It's a good idea to put a piece of plywood in front of the radiator so you don't damge it if the engine swings.

If your van is rust free, it will be a fairly straightforward job. I'm in the rust belt, so nearly every bolt has the threat of being seized up and breaking off. Even so, it's still not bad and can be done by one person, I've done 4 engine swaps in this van alone.
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sandyvan

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by sandyvan on Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:09 pm

pan58head wrote:even if you are a back yard mechanic you can change a small block, why not try it yourself and save a ton. $4k seems way to high

This.


The 350 in my van had too many issues to deal with so I searched for a good running used engine and found a rebuilt 307 for $400.00 - and he gave me the new stand it was sitting on. The guy was going to put it in his C10 project truck but had to abandon due to finances. Since the problem 350 was a four bolt main I sold it for $150 after pulling it!

There are folks on this forum that can attest to the fact that if I could pull it off, ANYONE can!! I still have my hoist and engine stand and for some sick reason I have been itching to swap an engine on a new project. I guess I have the disease.

You state: "The van is rust free, Original, pretty straight, and isnt all hacked up on the inside." IMHO that means it is well worth saving. If you have the time and desire you can do the swap and the van sounds good enough for a crate engine...
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Soo fine customs

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by Soo fine customs on Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:33 am

Look around for any small block and put it in. Ask around where you live if anyone has a motor laying around. I have a 1965 nova that I had a piston break at the wrist pin. Its a long story. But I wanted the car for my wedding so I called around and a buddy had a 307 out of a 1971 Chevelle not the best motor ever built but it was cheap $50. I put it in on Wednesday and married on a Friday. Now the car has been to Louisville and back on my $50 307 getting around 21 miles to the gal on the freeway. And 5000 miles later. Its not hard to change the motor. Any questions just ask
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:22 pm

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sandyvan

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by sandyvan on Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:07 pm

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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:42 pm

Engine, water pump, starter, install kit, harmonic balancer, have been ordered. Found an old school shop near me and Im pretty pumped to get this done.
New question: what would it take to turn the 3spd column shift manual transmission into a four speed automatic transmission? My buddy will give me his 4spd Tranny if I go that route. Just wondered what it would cost and would it be worth it.
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Digz

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by Digz on Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:04 pm

Shifter, cable, trans mount and cross member. Other stuff depends on what trans your going to use. 200 or 700 and what year from. Throttle linkage can be an issue also. Cost all depends on your resources, skill and where you get the pieces.
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sandyvan

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by sandyvan on Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:24 pm

My 108 with 307 V8 and TH350 auto is a pleasure to drive, so if you can get a 4spd even better!
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ac95

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by ac95 on Fri May 04, 2018 10:14 am

GM Crate 350 intalled along with: water pump, fuel pump, HEI distributor, starter, plugs and wires, fan clutch, and clutch kit. All reused parts were cleaned and painted black. Retuned. All in: $3900. And I have parts I need to return to Jegs that total up to $250, depending on their return policy. Taking it easy on the break-in. Cant wait to see how it goes when it goes.
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sandyvan

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by sandyvan on Fri May 04, 2018 10:48 am

Right on!!! Got any pictures?
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Scott

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by Scott on Fri May 04, 2018 11:48 am

That's great, really happy to hear you did the engine swap.
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jrdunn96

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Re: Worth saving?

Post by jrdunn96 on Fri May 04, 2018 12:18 pm

Sweet! Congratulations on the new engine. Yeah, we'd sure like to see pictures.

Jim

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