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Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

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donivan65
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by donivan65 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:26 am

shoot air in there with the piston on its compression stroke ,,,,,,see if it comes out the carb or muffler to check the condition of the valves and if it comes out the dipstick tube or oil filler hole,,,you might peek in the spark plug hole and see the top of the piston,,,,,,,burnt valves could be the problem for low compression, ,,,,,but that blowby is from the piston,,,,,,you are looking for how bad the problem is,,,,,,,,
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by RodStRace on Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:46 pm

Judging from the blowby, I'd guess that a valve job/head swap isn't going to fix it. Shame, that would be easier...
Here are 3 core engines (no help for Thijs)
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/5687743707.html

Might give this guy a call.
If he doesn't have one, he may know where to get one.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/5667661521.html

Also remember that you need to make sure any engine swapped in will have the input shaft bushing in the crank!

Give these guys a call and see if they have one ready to swap out...
http://www.budsmachine.com/


Another
http://www.sunwestautomotiveengines.com/lb-ford.html
$1243 with 300 core charge

Don't forget that you need to add gaskets, fluids, filters and the time and/or labor to swap it out.


These guys sell used (junkyard) engines for $150-175 plus a 30-50 core charge
http://www.picknpull.com/part_pricing.aspx?LocationID=171&NavItem=0&SearchCriteria=&#partpricing

Lynnwood has a 66 Fairlane
Arlington has a 79 Mustang



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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Seth G on Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:10 pm

We looked @ all those. Of course they are unknowns. The best bet are the 170's for $75 but they are 2 hr's away. There's a runner 170 on the floor of my garage... I wouldn't say the engine is a lost cause, we'll know alot more when the head is off. Pressure's are good and consistent on the other 5, we're going to pull the head and have a better look see. We did the video scope @ lunch today, it shown some pitting, maybe hole in #6, hard to tell it for sure. Luckily I'll have a cherry picker on hand tomorrow to put my engine in this weekend. Worst case we'll do a quick hone on the cylinder and put a new piston and rings on the #6 rod. They just need to get to Oakland. Easier than swapping in the other motor. He can get a 200 back home fairly cheap, believe it or not Smile Got a good machinist to help out with head work if needed.

My guess is it ran lean and b/c of the nature of these engines, the ends get leaner yet and either the rings let go, a valve burnt or there's a hole. What we saw of the bore looked ok. We'll know for sure when the head comes off.
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:13 pm

Thanks for all the research Rod! Like Seth said we looked into most of these options too, and like you pointed out, it will get expensive pretty fast. We are gonna dig into the engine, see what's there.

And pretty crazy, but there are 200's and 170's offered in the Netherlands. Probably mustang guys who want to go V8, but the market for the straight 6's is almost non existent there. Might save money and time to just get on in The Netherlands. But all that is when we can't save what's in there now...
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by savage on Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:38 am

Good to hear you found some help up there,hope you find a easy fix to get you home.
How many states have you been to ,& (1000) miles have you put on your van ??
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:56 am

That is 12 states and almost 7500 miles.
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by RodStRace on Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:00 pm

Seth, glad to hear that Thijs and Robin are in good hands and you guys are checking out all options.

One fresh piston/rings/rod/bearing can be done, just watch out for ring ridge (of course).
The other possibility is that with the elevation changes, the engine ran rich and washed down the cylinder walls, tearing up the rings. As you mentioned though, the fuel distribution on these integral intake engines isn't the best and that would be more expected in the center than the ends. Provided that the piston ring lands are okay, it could be a cheap as one set of rings and a good cleaning. As you said, once the head is off, more will be revealed.

Glad to hear the engine is cheap and available back home. That was the only reason I suggested swapping to fresh rebuilt here. Of course a warranty would be useless, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about import costs shipping one over.

7500 miles shouldn't have done it alone. However, most of these don't go all day, day after day either.


Here's a couple to dream about after long days wrenching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOWFECDUxEw
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Seth G on Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:12 pm

Good advice. My brakes on my pickup went out today and while I was at the store I checked to make sure they had a cylinder ridge reamer to borrow. I took some time this evening to prep for pulling the head and found a broken head bolt blown out and laying in between the rockers. Not sure how we missed that, but I'm crossing my fingers that it's not the piston or rings. The bolt is 2 cylinders down though, it'd be amazing that #6 would find a clear path to that hole between 4 and 5....
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:27 pm

This thing is getting more and more interesting every day!
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by cole63 on Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:39 pm

Just wanted to say this is an amazing story/journey and I hope the best of luck to you guys! Wish I could help, but I'm pretty far away in Georgia. It's awesome to see others helping out when they can, though.

I hope to make a long journey in my 65' next year. I'm in Georgia and want to see California.

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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by econopoor on Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:53 pm

Tice84 wrote:This thing is getting more and more interesting every day!

Having somewhat of a vested interest in this ordeal I have to agree. I'm on the edge on my seat.

Duane in Tennessee.
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:23 pm




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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:18 pm

We found the #6 piston had broken rings and ring lands. It didn't really hurt the cilinder, so we are looking into getting a new piston and rings and honing the cilinder. It is not the best way, but the other cilinders still have good compression. Tomorrow I'm gonna have the head checked by a shop here, if the head isn't warped we will put it on there agian. If it needs work, we'll probably take another head Seth has, because it doesn't have the Thermactor stuff.
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by vanny on Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:48 am

Good luck, hope it works out for you. Props to Seth for helping you out too!!! cheers


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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Sat Jul 30, 2016 3:56 pm

Long story short: new piston with rings and bearings. Head cleaned, milled flat, valves and seats grinded. Put everything back together with new gaskets. And now it is running again! And very good too!

Thanks to Seth, he has been an awesome help and host to us!
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by vanny on Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:05 pm

Hey Seth,



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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Seth G on Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:21 pm

I was happy to help and I'm glad it has all worked out so far and that the van is running better than ever for you. Thijs and Robin were fine company and we enjoyed having them around Very Happy We were kind of sad to see them go, actually. With any luck the repair may last a good long while. The cause was extreme over advance I think. When we set the idle, plugged the vacuum line and put the timing light on it we could not even see the mark. It was advanced at least 12 deg beyond the scale. So somewhere between 26-30 degrees or more of initial advance. I bumped the engine and got the mark to near tdc and pulled the dist cap and it looked to be ok. So then I retard it all the way back to 4-5 degrees or so. Thijs was a trooper on this repair and worked hard to get it done. Bravo my friends!
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by uante on Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:31 pm

Great Job! Back on the Road! cheers
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Big W on Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:12 pm

Glad to hear you're back up and running. cheers
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by donivan65 on Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:16 pm

30 degrees advanced????? did it jump time or vacuum advance unit come off???
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Seth G on Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:07 pm

I have no idea. I don't see it jumping time or it wouldn't run as well as it does. Tice put my old pertronix in it as well while he was working on it. I think he would have had to try and disconnect the vacuum advance arm. The balancer mark looked to be correct. I don't think it would have ran if we retarded the timing ~20 degrees. I guess it was checked in OK and was OK???

Maybe Thijs should double check the vacuum advance unit and be sure the arm is connected and the unit is secured properly to the distributor.
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by RodStRace on Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:50 pm

SETH,


Thijs and Robin,

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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by Tice84 on Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:09 pm

Ah yeah, I lost a screw in the distributor while installing the pertronix, had to take it apart, including taking the vac adv unit off. Must have been that. Anyway, gonna doublecheck it all when home. Just 2 more days and the trip for the van will be over!
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by GMman on Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:12 pm

Sounds like it's been one GREAT adventure!!! Glad it turned out ok for you!!!
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Re: Thijs and Robin's USA adventure trip

Post by uante on Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:56 am

Hey Tice did you get any pictures of your van being dropped off at the shipper?

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