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BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


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    1964 Falcon Shorty Camper for $2000, is it worth it?

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    Post by FancyFlush Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:45 am

    I've come across this deal from this elderly couple in their 80's for a 64 Falcon van.  It was purchased in 64 by the current owner (2 owner car) it was a camper model with fridge etc but now has been turned into a passenger version with seats.   It does not run as the carb needed work and the couple don't have the money or knowledge to work on cars.  There is a small dent on one of the side doors and the front bumper seems a bit mangled.  They are asking 2k for it for a while and no takers, wondering why?

    PS: the image seems to be reversed, it's not got doors on the drivers side.

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    Post by Seth G Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:37 pm

    Someone put a V8 in it, but they've owned it since 64?
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    Post by FancyFlush Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:16 pm

    No, its a 6, it was something they did for humor.
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    Post by weirdbeard Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:30 pm

    2k and no takers because there is bunch of work to that probably needs to be done.  I would offer 1k and see if they bite that way its worth that in parts.  Not sure its a camper, i do not see a pop up top on it.
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    Post by FancyFlush Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:06 pm

    they said when they got it in 64 it had camper bits in it, Ie a fridge, and some sort of wooden back seat that turned into a bed. It's an hour and a half drive away, wonder if it's worth it to go there and have them turn me down.
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    Post by weirdbeard Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:24 pm

    Well if you do go bring a trailer and wynch. Let us know what happens
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    Post by vanny Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:09 pm

    It certainly looks like there's doors on the driver's side. Are you sure it's not an 8-door? If not, it's some darn good trick photography (photo shop)! I'd say offer one G as well if the undercarriage is solid and the rust isn't too bad. Good luck and keep us posted.


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    Post by Twinpilot001 Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:34 pm

    start @ 1200.00 & go up to 1500 if u really want it?? Drives/runs?? check for rust in bottom areas too!!
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    Post by Big W Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:43 pm

    Is this what it should look like.1964 Falcon Shorty Camper for $2000, is it worth it? Window10
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:25 pm

    sure isnt  that clean or stored inside last 20 years!!     affraid   1-grand =if it runs!!! MAX!!

    ur looking @ tires, maybe a fuel tank?,rust repairs & check that top (no paint) for rust thru & bad drip rails!!
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    Post by EconoUSAparts Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:13 pm

    Pic is reversed, not an 8 door, as evidenced by the exhaust and no gas filler. No way $2000,too rough. Interior shots would help better determine value. Not all camper models had the pop top either.
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    Post by EcoPU Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:43 am

    funny now it's 4k.... LOL

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/4737363556.html

    thought falcons had more body trim pieces.
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    Post by EconoUSAparts Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:26 am

    Base model Falcons had no trim unless special ordered. Custom and Deluxe models had it standard.
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:52 am

    FLIPPER???????????????????? affraid Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by diamond dave Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:19 pm

    it's not 4 grand. look at the two pics. it's two different vans!!! no antenna on one. no v8 badge either, and the bumpers are missing paint in different places. what's the guy on craigslist trying to pull?
    the bumpers are even different, and the tires are white walls in one pic. looks like a scam.

    hey , by the way, where are you from fancyflush? usa is a big town?
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    Post by diamond dave Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:22 pm

    and it says it's a diesel in the specs. hahahha makes no sense at all.
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    Post by FancyFlush Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:04 am

    Uh thanks for the replies, if I have trouble valuing a vehicle I'll post an ad on craigslist for double the asking, see if there's any hits. got 1 guy email (several times).  I used to flip cars on craigslist back in the day and find it's the best way to get a true valuation.  

    even though I love econolines, I don't want to over pay (get ripped off) for one. I've seen some really nice ones on ebay every once in a while.

    The way I figure it it's worth $9000 restored, it cost 2000 now, 3-4k in paint, 2k in interior work, 2k in body and mechanical... it's not worth it really.  

    Btw, I also put an ad out for a VW splitty for double what I found it for ($30,000) and it got 20 emails
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    Post by diamond dave Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:36 pm

    so. . . . I don't get it. . . you posted a fake ad with someone else's vans, then ask us what we think it's worth? not sure I understand. did you post the fake ad for 4 grand, with the two vans in it? or are you looking to buy the one you showed in your post on here?
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    Post by FancyFlush Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:15 pm

    ....I posted here first, then I made a few ads with various pictures. The one I want to buy looks like the photos posted.
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    Post by Twinpilot001 Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:32 am

    Dont think we like =Flippers here!! cheers
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    Post by diamond dave Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:01 pm

    yeah dude. I don't mean to sound rude, but you wasted a lot of peoples time for your personal enjoyment. we are all here to help you with your van, but i'm not really into being decieved.if you could please do that stuff somewhere else in the future, I would appreciate it.
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    Post by FancyFlush Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:26 am

    diamond dave wrote:yeah dude. I don't mean to sound rude, but you wasted a lot of peoples time for your personal enjoyment. we are all here to help you with your van, but i'm not really into being decieved.if you could please do that stuff somewhere else in the future, I would appreciate it.

    ..No offense but if you and the guy above you don't "get" what I did perhaps you need to read a few more books, take a reading class, or read the post a bit more closely? I specifically stated that I was asking if it was worth it to buy, I never mentioned flipping it, I simply would not like to sink more money into one than I can purchase a good one for. Perhaps you've heard of wasting money?!?!?

    ...Back on track.... I offered $1500 they wouldn't take it, it had been messed with in the engine compartment and was missing some of the interior trim. The bumpers all were bent up, all the rubbers were perished, one of the doors didn't close properly perhaps due to an accident. I know how to fix all of that, however I ran a calculation and figured it was more expensive to fix this van than to buy one in better shape, I hate buying other's projects, especially when they don't know what they're doing. This isn't the deluxe version, it's got a 170 I believe and restored it maybe worth 9k, I'd simply be sinking in more money than I can get a decent one for. I've seen decently restored vans on Ebay for $6000'ish which can be a bargain if they're not bondo'd to hell. (run a fridge magnet to find that)

    I'm kinda torn, I love Econolines/Falcons my deceased father loved them and had several throughout his life, and they are not really thought of as cool vans like the VW's are and I'd like to help change that. On the other hand I can get a decent VW bus for 3-9k Which would be worth nearly 15k from the get go, they're already cool vans, more attractive but with less features and much less power. Love the safari windows though... maybe I'll get both.
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    Post by FancyFlush Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:53 am

    Twinpilot001 wrote:Dont think we like =Flippers here!! cheers

    Not just singling you out here twin....

    This post has brought out a few forum trolls in here.  For those who don't know an internet troll is someone who posts in forums with the intent of starting a confrontation and not to add to the original subject matter.    

    I'd expect this more in a forum haunted by juveniles.  The technique you and others have employed are unfortunately quite effective most of the time.  Socially outcast someone for being different to find more common ground with your peers to gain popularity and attention.  Hence the term "we" in your statement.  I personally find the practice very distasteful.

    I personally think it's quite ironic that some econoline owners who have all gotta be very different (in a good way) to like these vans would outcast someone else for being different.  This isn't a friggin Mustang or Camaro which you can simply break out the Year One catalog and order parts, and who you can see at every car show.  We who like these vans are for the bold, those who move in the opposite way of the social norm (most people don't find vans cool, they think they're for pedophiles), and for us who are creative.  Not too many of us left out there, we should try to get along!
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    Post by weirdbeard Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:08 am

    I say forget the VW bus they are played out, these vans are way cooler and you get more for your money and you stand out more. There is also nothing wrong with buying a project van and doing the work yourself and making it your own instead of buying someone elses work and hoping it was done right. It may cost more but at least you have the peace of mind and the color, finishes are yours. If thats not that important then there are some good deals out there. Good luck and hope to see you in an Early.
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    Post by FancyFlush Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:24 am

    weirdbeard wrote:I say forget the VW bus they are played out, these vans are way cooler and you get more for your money and you stand out more.  There is also nothing wrong with buying a project van and doing the work yourself and making it your own instead of buying someone elses work and hoping it was done right.  It may cost more but at least you have the peace of mind and the color, finishes are yours.  If thats not that important then there are some good deals out there.  Good luck and hope to see you in an Early.

    I agree VW's are totally played out. I do think the front is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than that of the Econoline but I love the Econoline just the same. Btw they don't even have a heater as I understand it, they make this burner which uses gasoline to heat up the van... Heating your van reduces the fuel economy, lol. Also the engine is weak 40-60hp stock, it struggles to do freeway speeds. The aftermarket is big though.

    My ideal van purchase is something that is in stock original condition that has had some maintenance.

    My papa once drove his van from California to Brazil! Apparently the motor on his could run on all kinds of fuel. I think he said Alcohol or a mixture of it and gas, not entirely sure except I know it wasn't gasoline, he said it was because of the high compression. He used to work on alternative fuels like Alcohol and helped design some carburetors that could run on Alcohol and probably Petrol as well.

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