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64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:45 pm

My new 64 panel has a front end issue common to these old girls............SLOPPY STEERING. Dangerously sloppy. She wants to dart off to the side if I hit a pot hole or bad surface. Not safe over 40mph at all.

So.........first order of business is a fix. I decided rather than just replacing what is bad...tie rod, drag link, king pins..........I'd be safe & smart and do it all. Be done with it and no worries later.

I've got a few estimates of maybe up to $500 labor if I supply the parts!!!!!!! EEEEEEEKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

I'm a good wrench but have never done a set of King Pins.

Is this something a home mechanic can do?

What's involved step by step?

What kind of tools?

I don't mind the work if I can do it. Be a sense of satisfaction..........I'd also know it was done right and I'd save a bundle.

OPINIONS please. Especially from anyone that's done this job.

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THANKS.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:18 pm

First of all, what type of bushings can you get? Bronze ones last longer but can be harder to install in that they might need to be reamed out to fit the kingpin after they are pressed in. (A machine shop can just run them through their connecting rod resizer to get them to the right size). And if you get the nylon ones, they would just snap in and you would be done. BUT getting the old kingpins out might be a problem,,,,sometines they are rusted in place and wont come out,,,,,and if you beat on them, they flare out and you just make things worst. But it just depends on if the van wants to co operate,,,,,,,if not, break out your wallet. This is a Chevy set up,,,,,,should be about the same as your Ford.......












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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by Guest on Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:11 pm

My steering was bad, too. turned the steering wheel for about 30
and nothing happened.
checked my tie rods for play and the pitman arm (which was loose)
I started to replace the kingpins myself and just glanced at the shop manual. when I tried to put the new ones in i realized that I needed to have the correct size reamer for the bushings (they came 30 thousands smaller from rockauto).
So I took the spindles and kingpins to a machine shop ($40).
Really easy to put back together.
When everything was together i realized that the axle bushings for the king pins were worn out, too. I have yet to find a shop to replace these for a reasonable price.
Steers much better now, just a little play.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:45 pm

So are you saying you got bushings in the axle in addition to the 2 in the spindle?

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:28 am

My question too!!!
Like where the axle fits into the spindle has a bushing?

I think I'll block mine up..have a good look see. Then likely go buy a torch, pullers & etc. Do it myself.

Worse gets to worse I guess I could take the axle to a machine shop and have the crap pressed out and in. then reassemble myself.

That should save a bunch plus I can clean and paint all this stuff before it goes back. Paint my belly pan and such too.

Hell, it can't be as bad as the half shafts I just replaced in my old Spitfire.

And I'll have new tools afterward and know it's all done right.
Smile

I also think I'll go with the nylon bushings as that will make it an easier job. And with proper maintenence they should last just fine.

Whatcha think?

Maybe take pics while I'm at it and post em for the next lucky person to do this.......<wink>

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:24 am

I would say you are ready to roll,,,,,I don't know that there is a bushing in the axle,,,,,could be if it wore out and someone put a bushing in there to save the axle. And you could start out by undoing the caps, knocking out the pin, (which might be tapered), and put a jack with a socket on it to press the kingpin up and out. Or it might just fall right out and break your toe,,,,,,,



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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by RipVanArkie on Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:19 am

I think they might be referring to the washer/spacers that are between the axle and spindles (top and bottom).

I need to do this with my Chevy now and rebuild the spring like Donivan has.

Good Luck!
Rip

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:04 pm

donivan65 wrote:I would say you are ready to roll,,,,,I don't know that there is a bushing in the axle,,,,,could be if it wore out and someone put a bushing in there to save the axle. And you could start out by undoing the caps, knocking out the pin, (which might be tapered), and put a jack with a socket on it to press the kingpin up and out. Or it might just fall right out and break your toe,,,,,,,



HEY........you have the LINK for that?
And how about the Nylon Bushing type?
Can't seem to locate that.
THANKS.....

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:33 pm

The bronze bushings might just fit right in without any reaming,,,,I have not seen the nylon ones for your van yet,,,,,,the website is www.partsamerica.com home of the Checker/Kragen/Shuck/O'reiley /Murrays stores........

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:52 pm

donivan65 wrote:The bronze bushings might just fit right in without any reaming,,,,I have not seen the nylon ones for your van yet,,,,,,the website is www.partsamerica.com home of the Checker/Kragen/Shuck/O'reiley /Murrays stores........

COOL.........I guess around my area Parts America is called "ADVANCE AUTO" I just found out. GOOD GUYS TOO! Smile

Now if I could just locate a nice picture by picture instruction on doing King Pins and the rest.............................

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:12 pm

Just jump right in on it,,,,,,we are here if you run into any problems. You need to jack it up, pull the wheel and hub off and see what is next to undo the top and bottom caps on the spindle. You might see that the wheel cylinder and steering knuckle are in the way. So you probably got to take off the whole backing plate assembly. Take those 4 bolts out of the backing plate so it looks bare like my pictures,,,,, Then that pin that holds the kingpin shaft in needs to come out, it probably is tapered, so beat on the smaller end to knock it out. You are better off having the new kit next to you so you can recognize what you are doing. But the whole deal is, get that shaft out which lets the spindle come off with the bushings inside it. Its not too complicated once you start it. It's just that if it is rusted, that
will make the job really hard to get it all apart.....

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:36 pm

Thanks man........
I do not have a garage ( building one this spring) but I'm gonna jack it up in the driveway.......set it on blocks. And do a good look see to try & identify all issues wrong before I start.

Then I'll start pulling her apart.

I'll take LOADS OF PICS...........post em as I go and ask LOADS OF STUPID QUESTIONS.........:p

Should make a good how2 thread by the time I'm done for those that follow.

I figure I'll do the drag link, tie rods and stabilizers too while I'm at it.

Check the wheel bearings & brakes, etc too!..............Clean & paint it all up.

Be done with all that in front for a long while.

I looked long & hard to get this van...........She's gonna get everything done right and kept FOREVER!

Thanks again...............you guys are great.

Special thanks to you Donivan65!

Smile

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:59 pm

That's why eveyone comes here,,,,,,to have a VANtastic time,,,,,to see vans, buy vans and fix vans. Everything is about Vans,,,,we don't care if they are pretty, ugly, run or are junk,,,,,just keep all that van stuff coming at us!!!!!!

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:54 am

YEP.....................Smile

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by fmc56 on Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:42 pm

Total performance makes a stainless steel / plastic kingpin setup but only for the 61-63 axles. I have installed one set and they went together rasily, still had to ream the bushings though.
Fred

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by crazee on Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:54 pm

fmc56 wrote:Total performance makes a stainless steel / plastic kingpin setup but only for the 61-63 axles. I have installed one set and they went together rasily, still had to ream the bushings though.
Fred

Wonder why only for those years??????? STRANGE!

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:48 pm

donivan65 wrote:So are you saying you got bushings in the axle in addition to the 2 in the spindle?

Correct, it was worn out and the previous owner put bushings in there.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:00 am

Just as long as they didn't add the bushings to make the wrong sized kingpins fit,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by Nightmoves on Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:09 am

Don...Someone once said'you've got a picture for everything".They were right ! it's like you've documented Everything with pics. And we preciate it.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:44 am

I just try to provide a starting point for the replys and answers,,,,,

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:17 pm

econorat wrote:
donivan65 wrote:So are you saying you got bushings in the axle in addition to the 2 in the spindle?

Correct, it was worn out and the previous owner put bushings in there.


So what about this van,,,,,,,you put new kingpins and bushings in it and it still is sloppy because of those bushings added into the axle,,,,,,,is this an original axle,,,,,I don't know that they ever made an axle bushing repair kit,,,,,,you might have a custom made bushing that a machine shop made if you got the original and not some kind of aftermarket solid axle,,,,,,

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by Guest on Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:17 pm

Correct, it's the original axle and a machine shop fitted new axle bushings.
I haven't found a shop yet that is able to replace it and if I am probably better off finding a used axle from pull a part.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:55 pm

So do both sides have bushings? And how did they do it,,,,2 short bushings on each end? I don't see how the pin would hold anymore if the axle was drilled out oversized for bushings,,,,,,and I cant see how the axle, or those bushings would wear out,,,,,,,the kingpin bushings turn,,,that shaft just sits solidly locked to the axle by the pin,,,,,,,,,the kingpin does not turn unless you got problems with that pin.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by Guest on Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:56 pm

-both, yes.
-two short bushings pressed in and honed to king pin size.
-it's not holding anymore, it restored the original size to the king pin.
-the van had probably 400k miles on it, they do wear out.
-true, they don't turn but they are holding force, like ball joints .

The van ran 40 years for Delta airlines, everything is very worn out.
They rebuilt the 240 three times, which I had to throw away.

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Re: 64 Econoline straight axle rebuild

Post by donivan65 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:01 am

Then if they are worn out, then your Camber is off, and maybe Caster, and tires will be wearing out faster,,,,,,I guess we need to find you another front axle. Now what choices does he have?????? 1961 to 1967?????

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