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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by Nightmoves on Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:58 am

You'll need them goin over I-8 (?) for sure.
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Post by donivan65 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:21 pm

After smelling all that exhaust driving through Los Angeles today,,,,,,went and smelled the roses,,,,







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Post by vanny on Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:38 am

Looks like you had nice weather for it. Was there a good turnout?


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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by donivan65 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:45 pm

,,,,,road trip is over,,,,,lets see what my days are like,,,,,,,and here we go,,,Marks Iowa/Connecticut/Arizona/Rally 1966 Chevy van,,,,,,left it with me for brake work,,,,,,someone put the 2" rear shoes up front in the 2 1/2" drums,,,,and the bearings are bad,,,so I will make things right for him.........











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Post by donivan65 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:16 pm

When you get one of these vans, you need to find out what you got,,,,,,lots of stuff happens to them in 50 years......













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Post by donivan65 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:36 pm







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Post by wideload on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:33 pm

Don is that a second gen doghouse or a modified first gen? If its a modified first gen how about a pic of what they did. Is the distributor a stock GM electronic or an aftermarket?


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Post by Joe Van on Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:07 pm

Nice Looking line up of Early's there..Mark sure has a "Great Looking Van"..!!!..I have seen that Quite a few times with the 3RD Gen Chevy G20's putting the 2 inch on instead of the 2 1/2 on the Rear but having the "Shoes Reversed" is the most common issue we get at our Shop...Smile


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Post by donivan65 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:02 pm

,,,modified 1st Gen Doghouse,,,,,,big box tunnel up front,,,,,,,that V8 is pretty short,,,,,,enough room up front for a big radiator and a shroud,,,,,,,,looks like a red cap on a stock HEI........











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Post by wideload on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:13 am

If you leave today you can make it back for the celebration June 12-14.Very Happy




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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:02 am

...you can't go wrong believing in Truth, Justice and the American Way.........
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Post by JAX on Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:36 am

donivan65 wrote:,,,,,,other things I am doing besides spending 1000's of hours working on the guys vans out here.......1st up,,,,waterpump on my van making noise so I changed it.....]








I never understood how a fan that looked like that could run balanced.....
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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:02 pm

,,,,and that is a Ford 390 cu in engine fan on my 6 cylinder Chevy engine also,,,,,,,,
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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:07 pm

,,,,,and my buddy Steve with his 67 Ford Falcon Van with a 240 engine continues complaining on and on and on and on about how his engine runs too hot at idle,,,,,,,so lets see if hooking this Fanalator onto his radiator will cool him and that van off,,,,,,,,,


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Post by JAX on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:20 pm

donivan65 wrote:,,,,,and my buddy Steve with his 67 Ford Falcon Van with a 240 engine continues complaining on and on and on and on about how his engine runs too hot at idle,,,,,,,so lets see if hooking this Fanalator onto his radiator will cool him and that van off,,,,,,,,,



Timer controlled, thermostat controlled or always on ?
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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by scarlin on Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:57 pm

I had a 240, it overheated, and upgraded to a 289 in the mid 70's. I removed the engine fan and have 2 electric fans. one push one pulls, In my opinion that small fan will not help much. It should be as big as the radiator.
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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:18 pm

It does seem there is not enough air flow going through the radiator at idle,,,,,as a matter of fact,,,,that engine is so tight in there that it seems the air cant even get past the engine to escape the doghouse,,,,,I cut louvers in the bellypan to add some more airflow and have a fan blowing air up towards the radiator,,,,,we built a shroud for the fan, but it seems like the engine sits too high and that small 15" fan is up around the radiator cap and maybe 30% of the bottom of the radiator gets no fan,,,,,the guys at EconoWest recommend a different angled fan, smaller waterpump pulley with a different impeller type ,,,,,,I put a mechanical gauge in it also and I have different size fans,,,,,,but its just a day in my life,,,,,it just seems like there just aint nowhere for the air to go,,,the air just comes out of the shroud,,,,,hits the engine and bounces back and stops the airflow,,,,,,,going down the road is OK,,,,,,,,the people that rebuilt the engine told him they want $500 to build him a shroud when he went back complaining about how hot the engine temp is,,,,,,,so,,,,,,,he calls me.........





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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by scarlin on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:22 pm

I can't go on as long as old skool. but the reason I dumped the 240 was the heat problem. I expanded the dog house sides for the 289, the headers are mostly below the floor. and a 3 or 4 row radiator, one Fan is at the top and the other at the bottom and a stock belly pan.
I have a 67 PU with a 170, Ford should have put in a Mustang 200 and 350 gears.
Maybe meet you your next Chicago trip?
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Post by JAX on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:47 pm

Haha I thought Chevy's were the only ones with the overheating problem.
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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:52 pm

Well,,,,I did tell my Ford buddy the fix was to get a Chevy,,,,,,,so I guess the cooling system on a 240 is lousy,,,,,,it is not really my problem,,,,I stop over and help him every once in a while,,,,,but there are solutions,,,,he just has to pick one,,,,,,but the Fanalator is a pretty simple test,,,lets see how that turns out,,,,,,,,and maybe a smaller pulley to make the fan and waterpump turn faster at idle,,,,,,looks like I just got me some help in my driveway,,,,,


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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:53 pm

but at least you can cure the Chevys,,,,,,this Ford looks like a lot of work and money to fix,,,,,
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Post by Big W on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:25 pm

From what I have gathered since being here at VV is that even when these vans were new, they had overheating problems. That being said...the only way to solve this issue is to do better than the factory did back then. Which means spending money on a 3 or 4 core aluminum or brass radiator. Thermostat electric fans with SHROUD. alternator update to run electric fans. Even putting in a tunnel up front to help air movement couldn't hurt either. These vans and trucks have 50 year old equipment in them, and if you're going to keep using stuff that wasn't that great to begin with, and is now have plugged....Then your going to have overheating problems. And running a stock system without a fan shroud...well your fan is USELESS at idle and not going to kool that engine.
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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:39 pm

The shop said they bored it out to 300 cu in,,,,so that does not help cooling,,,the radiator is new,,,,,might be 3 row,,,,,so,,,,,thats my story about a 67 Ford Falcon Van with a 240 cu in engine, bored out to a 300,,,,,with a 15" fan with a shroud, that basically just cools the radiator cap since it sits so high, could be running 215 degrees at idle,,,,,I did sniff test the radiator to check for exhaust gas in the coolant,,,,,,,to be continued,,,,,,now you cant beat a 2nd Gen Chevy cooling system which is a crossflow,,,,,sits down on the front axle,,,,4 rows of tubes, a tunnel,,,,a surge tank,,,,a shroud and clutch fan,,,,,,


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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by Big W on Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:44 pm

By far a way better cooling system then what Ford came up with, that's for sure.

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