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Re: Dons day,,,,,,,

Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:21 pm

Just look at how it sits in a 1st gen Chevy or Ford Or Dodge,,,,,,,but there is a ton of room when its in a 2nd Gen Chevy Doghouse,,,,,,,that radiator is actually under the front seats






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Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 10:18 pm

this Arizona Van has a V8, Aluminum radiator and shroud,,,,,,and,,,,,,,2,,,,,,coolers,,,,,in the heater hose lines,,,,,and bolted under the bellypan........so that adds some cooling to the system as you drive until you hit something and loose all your coolant,,,,,,but thats an idea,,,,,remote coolers, running the heater hoses through them,,,with little fans,,,,,hiding up somewhere in the frame......



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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:54 am

Great Post....awesome vans!
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Post by donivan65 on Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:36 pm

,,,,,,,,just some entertainment from behind the scenes,,,,,,,,,
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Post by donivan65 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:14 am

tomorrow I will drop the Fanalator off and Steve can hang it on his radiator and see if does any good,,,,,he does say that the temperature stays normal if the doghouse is opened,,,,so that kind of shows that there is no airflow coming through the radiator when the fan is turnibg slowly at idle and has no where to go,,,,,maybe it needs a suction fan to pull the air out of the doghouse,,,,,,probably,,,going down the road,,,,the air gets sucked out by the air flowing under the van,,,,,,so,,,,,lets see what happens.......


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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:27 am

So,,,,,,1/2 price day at Pik A Part,,,,,,,and when you go in there you got to pass the FORDS to get to the good stuff,,,,,,and what do I see,,,,a 1995 Taurus,,,,,,you know,,,the car fan that M1Dadio and Old Skool Vic cant stop talking about,,,,,,,so I undo 2 bolts, cut the wires and get me one,,,,,,(I better not be wasting my $14.99 on it),,,,,,so I get my other stuff and take it home to run some tests on it,,,,,,it is set up to PULL air through the radiator,,,,,I tested it as a PUSHER and it barely moves air,,,,,so it is set up to go behind the radiator but we surely don't have the room for it and you would need to set up a sensor to turn it on around 200 and off at 180 degrees,,,,so here is the test set up,,,,a jumper battery,,,,an ammeter to check the draw,,,,,a push button to run the fan....








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Post by Sy Hollinshead on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:36 am

How big a current can your ammeter measure....? Some only go up to 10 amps. That fan is probably way more than that and you might blow the ammeter...
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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:44 am

here is the test,,,,,,TornadoFan,,,,,,the movie......



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Post by Sy Hollinshead on Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:02 pm

Didn't realise that was a video. 15 amps isn't very much for a big fan, to me that would suggest that the motors on these aren't that powerful. The fans i had on my mustang with a 460 big block were pulling nearly 60 amps...!!!

So are people using these as puller fans then, instead of the mechanical fan...?
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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:28 pm

Hey Sy,,,,,,good to hear from the Motherland across the pond,,,,,so,,,,you want to talk amps,,,,,well you come to right guy,,,,because,,,,if anything,,,I am an Electrician,,,,,I have a digital ammeter that plugs into the fusebox and reads the current in the circuit,,,its rated at 30 amps with a 20 amp fuse in it for protection,,,,and we will verify the accuracy with a mechanical gauge,,,,so it is as I said,,,,like 15 amps at high speed,,,,8 amps at low,,,,,,to me, this fan is kind of useless as a puller behind the radiator,,,,,unless you modify the doghouse,,,,,however,,,I think I might modify it to fit on my bellypan to pull the air up to my radiator and replace my HamburgerFan.....this is a video...





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Post by Sy Hollinshead on Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:08 pm

Haha, i'm also an electrician... Very Happy

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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:12 pm

Alive Current or Dead Current?
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Post by Sy Hollinshead on Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:14 pm

I'm ACDC
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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:31 pm

I only mess with 240 volts when I have to,,,,,,and my favorite Angus Young song would be " For those about to Rock. we salute you" FIRE!


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Post by Big W on Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:44 pm

This is probably a silly question Don...But the taurus you grabbed this from...did it have a 3.8L engine with A/C? And did it have the 50 amp fuse/breaker plugged into the top of the fan. The one I have that seems to work quite well had that item from a taurus wagon with A/C 3.8L, but for the life of me I can't remember the year. I think it's from the late 80's, maybe even a 90 or 91. Just curious cus there are smaller taurus fans and I have one of those as well that doesn't draw the same air as my bigger one that i am using.

Sy....I'm using it as a puller fan just the way it came off the wagon behind a NEW 3 core radiator. The mechanical fan from the V8 has been removed.
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Post by donivan65 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:30 pm

There was something electrical bolted to the top of the shroud,,,,,I don't know what engine was in there,,,but it was a 1995 Taurus,,,,,this thing is a 15".....it pulls air really well, which means it has a lot of exhaust pressure,,,,,and that is what we use in my World,,,,,,,we force air up to the radiator to cool it, and the doghouse, down and force out the fumes,,,,,its just a helper fan to help out the waterpump fan,,,,,,and that does a good job on our Chevys,,,,,,
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Post by donivan65 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:46 am

,,,,so you are saying not all Taurus fans are the same????
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Post by Big W on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:08 am

Yes it appears there are different size fans through the years. What I have learned about them is through this site. I haven't really researched it too much. What I'm pretty sure of is that the best fans from Taurus have the 3.8L engines with A/C. And the best fan is from the lincoln, not sure what years though for getting the right size. Mine has the breaker/fuse or what ever it's called which is either 30 amp or 50 amp...I would have to go outside and look to be sure.
This is one of the smaller ones.
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Post by donivan65 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:25 am

One thing I see is number of blades,,,,mine has 8,,,,,,but with the low 15 amp draw and big airflow,,,,,,this seems like a good one rather than those Alleged 50 amp ones that need a 130 amp alternator to run it,,,,,,Is that a circuit breaker on the big fan,,,,,,mine dont have that,,,,,,looks like 3 of the mounting tabs are in different places.......



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Post by Big W on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:48 am

My fan has 9 blades and the small one I have has 6. Yours has 8...lol...I think I will fire up the interweb and see just how many fans ford has and see if I can get as much info on them. I think M1 and Old skool will have more info. When the rain stops I will go take a pic of that fuse/breaker thing that came with mine.
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Post by donivan65 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:10 am

,,,sounds like a plan,,,,,,,I like information,,,,,,,you cant ever have enough,,,,,,,you never know what you will find out,,,,,,or learn,,,,looks like we got 3 different Taurus fans here,,,,,,,which is best,,,,,,or are there better ones,,,,,,but does anyone add one without major modification of their doghouse,,,,is there enough room to just take off the mechanical fan and put this in its place???
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Post by Big W on Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:04 pm

This is where I am at with the 350 with stock fan removed. It may be a little close, but so far so good. Tested under heavy breaking and motor and fan do not make contact. Now I can still lean the rad forward a bit to gain a little more room if needed. I am using the 240 rad recored to a 3 row and in its factory location. mounting this fan was a brease and only required shortening the shroud and making an angle iron support under neath and a flat strip up top to hold it to the rad. Again this is just mocked up and still need to finish the dog house....Dog house is stock length and only modified for side pockets for more air flow.
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Post by donivan65 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:36 pm

but,,,,,,,,,would that fan fit in there with the normal 6 cylinder?
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Post by Big W on Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:12 pm

I'm not sure, as I nevered measured the distance between the 240 water pump and rad. If someone in here has the stock setup and is willing to go pick up a fan, and test this, we would know for sure. And putting a pusher on the front of the rad...I don't think that would work well as the space between the front of the rad and dog house is only about 5 inches at the top and 7ish at the bottom. So far for a pusher, your idea of the hamburger fan is the best I've seen. I think putting a fan on front of the rad would be too restrictive only because the fan shroud would block some of the air flow. Unless a tunnel was fabricated.
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Post by donivan65 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:52 pm

,,,putting a pusher fan on the front of the radiator is definitely out,,,,,,no room, restricts the air and not very efficient,,,,,,and I doubt a 6 cylinder has enough room between the waterpump and radiator,,,,,but lets see what people say,,,,,,,I still need to be Skooled on those wonderful 130 amp 3G alternators that they say charge even when the engine is not running or something,,,,,,,like, is the whole G1-3 alternator family all internal regulated, where do they pick up the sensing voltage,,,,,,do they come in one V belt pulleys,,,,can a 1 belt pulley turn them,,,,,or are they double belt or serpentine systems,,,,,have you run an amperage test on your two fans to see what they draw????

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