302 or 351w

If you still have the peanut 7 in. rear you should consider swapping out a 9in. BTW, if you still have the ballast weight in the back you may want to keep it and you might still have traction problems anyway. Good luck with your build!

modified the floor for exhaust

Ok Guys I have a Question. how do I tell if I have a windsor or a Cleveland 351 Eng ????

Ok I think I have a 351 modified Eng. will It still fit in my 61 pu

The 289,300,302,351W and 351C all share the same bellhousing. The 289,302 and 351W all have the water neck for the radiator hose on the front of the intake manifold. The 351C and 351M have the water neck on the front of the block. The 351M has the same bell as the 429 and 460 which is bigger than the rest. Good luck finding a bell and flywheel to fit a 351M with a standard trans. They are rare.
You can fit the 351M , in your van, but you will need to do some cutting and fab work as it is taller and wider than the others.

Thanks 66ThunderVan
looks like I'm back to the 302 and the c4 auto. I've already cut and fab the floor for the 302 I just need to find all the parts for the Eng I've have now

remember this =There is =NO!! subsitute for cubic inches!! =NONE!! 351 best and will stroke out to over 427 cubes!!

TP, don't hold back, tell us how you Really Feel! You remind me of Tim the Tool Man Taylor...More Power!!!!

I would love to have the 351 but the one I have its a big block I need the small block 351w. my truck is set up for the 289, 302, with the C4 auto trans. I have a 5.0 out of a T-bird

OK, one more thing then. The 289 and 302 were external balanced and the 5.0 is internal balanced. The flex plates need to match the engine not the trans. If you use the flex plate from the 289 on the 5.0 you will probably have some balance issues and some vibration problems.

Not exactly, the 302 is a 5.0, and at least into the middle 90's the 5.0 was externally balanced on standard production 5.0's. There were basically two flex plates 157 and 164, the 289's had a 157 tooth with 28oz imbalance followed by the 302's with 164 tooth 28oz imbalance, somewhere around 1984ish Ford used a 164 tooth 50oz imbalance. A C4 can be either be a 157 or a 164 tooth for the bellhousing, a 164 flex plate will not fit in a earlier 157 flex plate C4 transmission. You also have the backing plate, the piece between the transmision and the engine block, they are specific unless you buy a new made universal that has the cut out for the different starter positions. Also the flex plate must match the harmonic balancer and in turn be an engine for that specific imbalance. You would not want to install 28oz flex plate and harmonic balancer on a 50oz imbalance engine.

No this was not one of Ford's better idea's. If you are building an engine and not sure which year the crank & rods are from then it is best to have a machine shop balance it all. It will be $200 well spent.

yes! Vanny!!= HaHa -that comes from so many years experiences too!!
the 531 w engine is the one u need-the 351 C-Cleveland & all others past the 351 W -windsor engines -all used the big bell housing mounts -calle d- fords -big block stuff! Now heres the deal too-after much research & from years building engines - the cheapest way to build a motor now days - is just to buy a complete "Scat? kits - they make many & in different types- for diff sized engines - standard to stroker stuff.All can be complete kits also- that ways you dont have to waste $$ with any "Fast talking machine shops
and get quality assemblys also. I personally only use their "forged assemblys" yet for out vans -a non race type vehicle? their other kits are good & very durable too. For what we can spend in a machine shop doing work can usually be had cheaper from them & that have a site online also- believe its =www.scat.com yet heres an ebay seller that offers same somewhat @ lower costs too -still scat stuff= Thunder van is totally correct on the fords use of diff weighted balancers & flywheels

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eagle-Ford-302-5-0-Stroker-Kit-347-Balanced-Rotating-Assembly-/200900100095?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2ec6943fff&vxp=mtr

just when there type in ford stroker kit -many to see or go to scat website =Happy vannin also Thundervan -is totally correct on the different weights of balancers & flywheel sizes & weights - to me kinda like fords parts numbering system- "Better Idea??

Again, thanks for the info guys. I'm sure there are many people on this site who, at some point in time can use this wealth of knowledge on their projects as well.

Lot of good info on here. That's why I'm on here ok now another question I have a 1985 T-bird Eng with the flex plate flywheel and a 1964 C4 trans out of a e1oo van. I have the bell houseing for a V8 C4 trans. will this work. I'v work on ford for many years but never with mitch match parts. Im working with very little cash

If it is a 64 C4 then the bell housing is mounted with the pump bolts, 65 and later the bell housing was secured with separate bolts. Non interchangeable.

Your engine should have a 164 tooth 50oz flex plate, if so it will not fit in the 64 C4 bell housing, but you can buy 157 tooth 50oz flex plates new, they are not that expensive.

Also your 64 C4 is most likely the five bolt bell housing your engine requires a six bolt bell housing. Something you need to confirm.

I myself would go for the 302 for one reason only, that 351 will suck double the fuel.

Thanks busman for the info it help a lot. I know I wil have more question for you all at a later date. I will post pics as I go. I'm hoping to get started on it this weekend

hey all I was wondering if any one has any info on what intake I can use on my 85 T-bird 5.0. I want to go with a carb the 85 t-bird 5.0 had F.I.
and what year of a alt- bracket would fit I'm just going with a alt ( one belt ) thanks for any info
Andy

Have yet to see stock 4.57's in my 45 years of playing with them?? I have three or four sets of 4:11's here, and another dozen from 3:00 to 3:50's, have yet to see OEM 3:75's either. Anyways, the GENII's are mostly all 3:25's, and sometimes 3:50's, correct input yoke and 28 spline.
There are a couple of gear set combinations that give the same final. I usually put a mark on the yoke and the housing, and then turn the wheel and count how many times the yoke turns, IE: 3 turns means 3:00,, 3 1/2 means 3:50's.
Old Skool

Hi Vic,

Good to see you back in action. Hope your recovery is going well. I've had two 64's with 4:57's. Both heavy duty 4 speed vans. The first was a goverment dso that was purchased by the Geological Survey Dept. The second was a Pac-Bell regular van. They're out there. They were popular with the 4 speeds because of the stiffer first gear.

Duane in Tennessee

First of all you have the first year truck and the thinnest gauge sheet metal frame of them all. They are most often the ones that I have seen with a cracked frame.
You have no cross member which is easy to get from Vic (lol)
but the 302 will burn the meat off of both tires any time you want to. I am putting in a 351W right now in a 67 which has the floor hump. Its really a lot more problematic with a taller engine which is also wider at the top also. IF I was to run roller rockers and even taller valve covers it would even be worse. In mine, a good stout 302 roller block, roller rocker mill will far out do anything you could ever need on the street and certainly not worth all the work I have to do now for valve cover breathers and all the extra work for a few more cubes,,, to me,,, put in an AOD, with 3:25 gears, you will cruise all day easily and just about blow the doors off of of any cop car you want to...
As far as gearing goes for our 9 inchers they came in 3:00...3:25...3:50's and 4:11's. There are all other kinds of gearing you can use but the 302 will launch the 3:00's just fine, 3:25's and 3:50's will blow the doors off of a vette(used to do it 40 years ago,LOL) Play with the gears,,, The AOD makes all the sense in the world with two different gear setups on those, one with a different set of planetaries that will give you lower gears in 1st and 2nd, typical 1 to 1 in third and still have ONE MORE. OR you can get the standard geared planetarie unit with the stock 1st and 2nd gear. Problem with the AOD is to get the non computer version and make sure you adjust the cable correctly or fry the trans on the spot, and it only comes in an under transmission tail stock and mount, so you would have to use a transmission cross member like the one I make for them, or any early for that matter...
Vic
Old Skool

Hey vic I have a Question for you. How much for your trans cross member for the AOD trans.   

I look at these big V8 swaps and just have to wonder how you control cabin heat..? The dog house is pretty much a big old heat sink/hot air balloon. My little 170 warms things up pretty darn good.. I can't imagine what a motor like that, with a big set of tube headers would do to temps. As my van sits now, I have even gone so far as to image a method for adding an electric puller fan and some sort of ducting to pull heat out of the dog house when the van is sitting at idle!