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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:53 pm

    I just picked up a 1965 Econoline pickup and need some help with the engine id. The air cleaner says 240ci 150hp but I am not sure if the engine is a 240ci as the door tag says 85HP. I have attached some pictures hopefully someone can help with this.

    Also I was told this pickup was rare as its poppy red and has the side trims all the way sown the side of the truck.

    Warranty - E10TH686165
    WB - 090 Color - 3 Model - E100 Body - D87 Trans - A Axle - 03
    Max GVW - 3600 Net HP - 85 RPM - 3800 DSO - 22

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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:59 pm

    For some reason its not showing my pictures full size its chopping off the right side. You have to right click on them and then click view image.
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    Post by RodStRace Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:12 pm

    If you go to google images, they show a 240 having a separate removable intake manifold.
    Your pictures show an integral intake manifold like a 170/200.
    http://classicinlines.com/ident.asp
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    Post by Barnabas Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:25 pm

    The photo of the data plate looks like the axle code might say 031. Can you see a "1" after the "3"? It's not clear in the picture. If so, that fits with the special paint color and trim and would indicate a Spring Special pickup.

    http://www.econolineid.com/spring_special.shtml

    Your truck came with a 170 engine. Someone might have swapped air cleaners with a 240.

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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:08 pm

    Yes the axle does say 031 I missed the 1 at the end. I need to get some parts so im trying to find out the exact engine it has. I have found some numbers on the block and I'm currently researching them.

    The numbers I have found so far are
    18
    C8DE
    6015-B

    Thanks for the help.
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    Post by Barnabas Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:51 pm

    That code appears to be a 200 cui engine from 1968 or later.
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    Post by Barnabas Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:02 pm

    There should be a similar number on the top of the intake manifold. That might help us identify the year.
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    Post by Vanner63 Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:25 am

    Sounds like my 1963 pickup. It has a 1968 Mercury Comet 200 cu.in. in it. Other than that is totally original.
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    Post by econopoor Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:29 pm

    Hi,

    Here's the decode for your pickup.

    E10 = Econoline pickup series
    T = 170 engine
    H = Lorain Ohio assembly plant
    686165 = May 1965 serial number - 1965 model
    090 = wheelbase
    3 = Poppy Red paint
    E100 = Econoline pickup series, 1/2 ton
    D =- beige custom interior (Custom Equipment Package)
    87 = pickup body style
    A = 3 speed transmission
    03 = 3.50:1 light duty axle (7-1/4 inch)
    1 = Spring Special trim identifier
    3600 = 1/2 ton GVW rating
    85 at 3800 = certified net HP at RPM
    22 = Charlotte sales district


    Duane in Tennessee.
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    Post by Guest Tue Dec 25, 2012 2:13 pm

    Thanks for the help. With the engine being a 68 200ci can I still search for parts for a 65 170ci the truck should have come with.

    Basically are the 2 engine compatible with the same parts even though they are different sizes and years?

    I ordered a gasket set for a 240ci thinking thats what the truck had but the block is bigger than a 200, so hopefully the auto store will take them back even though I have touched them.
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    Post by Barnabas Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 am

    The 170 and 200 shared most parts. If I were you, I'd search for 1968 Mustang 200 parts.


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    Post by SDEconoTruck Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:26 am

    Looks like you got a Spring Special, good one!

    I've worked on a lot of 200's and a couple 170's. They are
    almost identical blocks and many parts interchange. Basically
    the 200 is a bored and stroked version of the 170. To tell
    exactly, check the engine block below the exhaust manifold, if
    you see 5 Freeze Plugs, then it's most likely a 200 cu in.

    The 200 is desirable. It has the upgraded 7 main bearings which
    is more durable and reduces the torsional harmonic issues of the
    earlier 144 and 170. Basically all three versions are of the same
    family of straight 6, the "third generation" that is considered
    the "small block straight 6."

    There was one other small block, the 250 but it is less common, though
    it can connect to small block V8 transmissions, which have overdrive
    and other nice options.

    The 240 is a beast, and the block/head are totally different from
    the 200. The 240 is related to the 300 both of which are
    considered "big block straight 6's." This motor does better with a
    more beefed up transmission, drive line, and axle than you probably have.
    It also will need an under engine mounting bar (belly bar) rather
    than the inferior "arms" of the '63. I have had two failures
    of the motor mounts and I can see the flex starting on one of
    my engine support arms. Looks like the body metal is puckered
    a bit in that area as well. My plan is to upgrade to the cross
    brace as I am installing a "modified" 250.

    So, that said, your engine support arms will barely manage the
    200 if you modify it with any power adders and like "spirited"
    driving.

    (that air cleaner is nice because you get cooler air with it, but
    it is not period-correct. Cool air gives better performance.)
    Personally I would run with it, maybe have a 200 oil bath cleaner
    as a spare for display only.

    It is very easy to paint the 200 up to look like a 170, yet the
    performance is quite nice.

    Hope this helps,
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    Post by Guest Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:34 pm

    Thanks for all the help guys we found an info sticker on the valve cover saying its a 200ci. We are going to remove the current air cleaner and replace it with a normal paper/cotton filter, we have read the oil bath filters have to be cleaned out regularly.

    We removed the engine as there was about 1/2" of dirt/oil/insulation which had fallen off the engine covers. It was obvious to us that the engine has not been looked after although it ran great. The oil was also black as night. None of the bolts on the engine were tight the exhaust was blowing like crazy from where it meets the header.

    We stripped the engine down to clean all the dirt off it and upon removing the timing cover the chain has been hitting the inside of the cover and it was also nearly jumping off the sprockets. We also found the clutch is down to the rivets so we ordered a new one of them as well. All gaskets have been replaced including the head gasket, new timing chain, new clutch, thermostat.

    The engine has also been painted blue. Tomorrow we will be removing the trans as it is also covered in dirt/oil.

    I can post pictures if you would like.
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    Post by Guest Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:46 pm

    Please post pics I haven't even had a chance to see your van before you started all this work.


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    Post by Barnabas Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:27 pm

    SDEconoTruck wrote:
    So, that said, your engine support arms will barely manage the
    200 if you modify it with any power adders and like "spirited"
    driving.

    The OP said 1965, so he should have the proper engine support bar,
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:47 pm

    Yeah its a 65 so it has the big support bar. I have been trying to find a clutch all morning looks like I will be getting one from a 68 Falcon/Mustang.
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    Post by Guest Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:55 pm

    looks like the clutch disk has to be from a 65 falcon/mustang as the plate I have is 8.5" and the 68 is 9"

    I dont really know what they did when they changed the engine. They must have changed the flywheel and clutch kit from the original 170 onto this engine. From what I have read the 68's came with a flat flywheel and 9" clutch and the 65's came with a recessed flywheel and a 8.5" clutch.

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