BRINGING IT ALL TOGETHER.... A's, G's & E's


Operation BREADBOX

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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:36 am

Christmas in March!!



Team 321 IRS Subframe.  Let me just say that Dave did an outstanding job working with me to completely one-off the design for this build.  I spent 3-4 months designing and redesigning with him to arrive at this design.  The quality of his fabrication is exceptional.  







Shockwave air bags, upgraded CV axles and custom powdercoated control arms.



Full Tilt IFS, c/w air bags, power rack & pinion(which will need to be custom mounted)



Now for fabrication!

I plan to run all wiring inside the frame rails, so I drilled a 3/4" hole where the IRS subframe meets the frame rails.  This will allow me to get all the way to the back.





IRS is 34.5" wide and the IFS needs to be about 30" wide.  I notched the frame rails about 12" apart inside and out, heated up the joints, pulled them in/out, squared them up, levelled them and then welded down the joints.







And the finished product, with the IRS subframe squared, levelled and welded down.  Ready for the IFS!!



Measured up the crossmember for cutting





Tacked into place



Measured up the top hats for cutting



Mounted the control arms and spindle for front and rear.  Measured from the floor to confirm frame will sit level.



Tacked the top hats into place and ready for test fitting



Control arms & spindle sit level.  Measuring must've been good...lol



IFS welded down



Frame ready for test fit to the body!!  I would like to point out that I will be cutting off the portion of the frame behind where the IRS mounts to the rails.  For levelling/squaring purposes, I've left it tacked all the way back.  Still need to tack a tubing gusset between the IFS and IRS for rigidity and future tranny mount.  The rails in front of the IFS are rough cuts, as I need to allow enough metal to support the front end, and the part of the floor where it rises to meet the front nose.





Back to the bodywork.

Removed the next section of floor to make removing the engine/tranny easier.



Engine/tranny out



Last piece of the floor cut out





For the next while I will be removing and cleaning up the body edge lines so the frame will mate up to it cleanly.  

I will also cut the excess rail off the back and do a full mock up of the front and back suspension before I slide the frame under the body to confirm my wheelbase, clearance to the body, get wheel measurements...Yes, I know, I should've done that before I welded it all down..lol.  Should be good though.
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Twinpilot001

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Location : spokane ,Wa.
Registration date : 2009-09-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Twinpilot001 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:29 am

Looks Great =wire! cheers
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Army of Six

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Registration date : 2010-10-02

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Army of Six on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Kick ass 👍 I wish I was that organized.
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mothradeath

Number of posts : 215
Location : youngstown ohio
Age : 43
Registration date : 2009-06-17

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by mothradeath on Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:43 pm

I can't tell but it looks like your top hats are square/level and don't have the angle they need to prevent anti-dive?
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Sat May 16, 2015 10:44 am

Hey Mothradeath, good catch. I went back and measured and found the offset to only be 1/8" and not 3/8". I took them apart, made the adjustment and welded it back together. Must've been one of those measure once cut twice kinda deals....lol

Thanks again!

WP

PS: I'll have some updates soon. Not much progress, but it is coming along.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Mon May 18, 2015 7:32 pm

Measured up distances between the outer body shell and then cut up pieces for the "wings".  Tacked them into place.



Slid the frame under and into the body.  Confirmed square and level, then tacked the body to the frame.









Measured up the rear frame connector to tie the back end together.



Measured up the front frame connector to tie the front end together.



Here is another pic of the ride height on jack stands, with some old tires spun on.



Since these pics, I have finished welding all the tacked components and fixed my anti-dive problem with the top hats.  I bought my vanagon steering box and it should be here next week.  I've started thinking on how I am going to tie the R&P to the steering box to the steering wheel, and I think I'm going to go under the frame from the R&P to the box and up to the wheel, with some offsets and UJoints.  But I need to get the piece first so I can get it in place to see how it will come together.  I also flipped the rubber bumpers on the R&P around so the output shaft points forward.  Need to grind off the factory R&P mounts on the IFS and fabricate some new ones and of course lots of other bits and bobs I need to fiddle fart with.

Once that is done, then I am going to get the suspension components put on permanent and make a roller out of it as I am trying to have it "in progress" showable for a big Father's Day show in Edmonton.  

WP
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Big W

Number of posts : 3277
Location : Saskatoon,Sask,Canada
Age : 53
Registration date : 2011-01-13

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Big W on Mon May 18, 2015 9:17 pm

Dang...Wirepuller that sure looks nice. Some awesome skills to be able to do this kind of work. Keep those pics coming. cheers
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Digz

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Location : United States Six Lakes MI
Registration date : 2008-05-17

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Digz on Tue May 19, 2015 3:19 am

A lot of work but if you want to put them on the ground it's about the only way to go! Looking pretty darn cool ! I'm liking that RA set up. I still haven't nailed down a trailing arm set up for the Jag. I have limited myself going that route I think.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Tue May 19, 2015 6:00 am

Thanks guys. Yeah Digz, I bounced back and forth quite a bit between a Jag and a different IRS. I finally settled on the TBird IRS and then found out Dave with Team321 builds a subframe for them. There are a lot of areas I am comfortable fabricating, but messing with suspension geometry is a little bit beyond my ability right now....lol!

Not sure what happened to the pictures...They have been cropped.

WP
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Mon Jun 01, 2015 6:27 am

Another update:

Welded up the shock mounts and mounted the shocks.  Originally I had them vertical but caused too much binding on the top mount of the shock during compression.  This angle seems to alleviate the bind.





Then I removed the original R&P mounts on the crossmember and fabricated some simple offset mounts and then boxed them in for extra support.



And the finished product with just a bit of weld to clean up.  



Time to start plumbing the air lines!!

WP
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Big W

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Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Big W on Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:08 pm

Very nice. cheers
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cagedave

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Location : Sacramento Ca
Registration date : 2015-05-29

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by cagedave on Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:57 pm

Wow! I feel like a pussy with my build problems. Nice work
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:33 am

Thanks guys!

Cagedave....we all have first world problems...lol  

I got the airbags/shockwaves installed.  Had to remove the front calipers to get the OEM wheels on for now.  Not sure what I want for wheels.  Plumbed in the temp air lines so I can finally roll the thing around on it's own wheels.  I'm also very excited to meet my first deadline of having it a roller for the fathers day car show coming up this weekend.  















Ride height

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mothradeath

Number of posts : 215
Location : youngstown ohio
Age : 43
Registration date : 2009-06-17

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by mothradeath on Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:18 am

dude...your absolutely killing it! great job. alot of people want shit like this but so very few commit to doing it.....and even way fewer commit to taking the chance of going down a different path. fantastic. keep up the good work.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:34 pm

mothradeath wrote:dude...your absolutely killing it! great job. alot of people want shit like this but so very few commit to doing it.....and even way fewer commit to taking the chance of going down a different path. fantastic. keep up the good work.

Thanks man, I truly appreciate the comments!!

Your build thread has been quite an inspiration for me. I read over it several times and saved all your pictures and printed them off so I could look at them and plan mine out.


On the build note, I have been researching to come up with a decision for the engine/tranny setup. I really wanted to go all ford with this project, so I looked into getting a Ecoboost V6 setup. After talking to a couple of local wreckers and online shopping, I've decided the cost is well beyond my budget and I've done so many big HP domestic V8's that I wanted to do something different. So, if I'm not going all Ford, I decided I most certainly did not want a Chevy or Dodge, so I wanted something different that will help this project appeal to a broader spectrum of hobbyist. After looking around some more, I've pretty much decided on the 4.0L V8 from a Lexus SC400. They are very tunable, and with some mild fabrication will take a turbo quite easily. Plus, putting a tuner motor in a domestic vehicle will no doubt boil some die hards blood, but hey, this build has been doing that from the start, so why change now??

More to come...


WP
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Pyrolume

Number of posts : 14
Location : NJ
Registration date : 2014-12-02

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by Pyrolume on Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:56 pm

Have you considered a 1jzgte from an old supra? Pretty cheap, tons of aftermarket support and will easily make 300hp. Should be a tidier install since its a straight six as well.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:06 pm

Pyrolume....I did not consider it at all. Mostly because I am not in the tuner world at all and didn't know about it....I'll do some looking around tomorrow. Thanks!!

WP
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mothradeath

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Location : youngstown ohio
Age : 43
Registration date : 2009-06-17

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by mothradeath on Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:06 am

Ever toss around the idea of a diesel swap? I think Shawn hibmacronan is doing one. Sick idea.
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FIZGIG

Number of posts : 332
Location : Lynnwood, WA
Registration date : 2014-01-23

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by FIZGIG on Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:39 am

Im impressed for sure!!!!! I was thinking about doing a 4BT diesel swap but the motor is a little wider than I want so who knows.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:31 am

I did toss around the idea of a diesel, and because Shawn is doing one, I don't want to.  Not that I think my project is better than his, I just don't want to do what's been done.  A diesel was high on  my list, and a 4 banger would've been real cool.  Fizgig, you should check out Shawn's build.  He used a 4 banger diesel and it's quite small.  Here is the link:  Clickety-click-click here

Pyrolume's suggestion has me really thinking whether I want to go V8 or I6 now. I watched a few youtube videos on supra's that have been done up and they are pretty wicked. Add the fact that an I6 is OEM for these and that would tie my build together for old with new. Plus, the I6 has less electronics, which makes it more appealing than the V8. Decisions, decisions, decisions.


WP
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AZ SuperVan

Number of posts : 209
Location : Cave Creek AZ
Registration date : 2013-09-12

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by AZ SuperVan on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:09 pm

Why not build a 300 cubic inch six for this?

There was a Maverick called Preperation H... bad name... That had an amazing 300 in it.

http://bigblocksix.com/Whittey/Buildup_Article/
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vanny
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Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by vanny on Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:58 pm

Great article, thanks for posting, AZ! Twisted Evil That's one tough looking 6-Banger!


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AZ SuperVan

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Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by AZ SuperVan on Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:14 pm

I have thought about using the intake manifold for the EFI 300 as a starting point for something side draft. There was a Falcon running around here with three Webers poking out of the hood, looking kind of like Hilborn injection stacks.
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wirepuller

Number of posts : 168
Location : Edmonton, AB, Canada
Registration date : 2011-01-28

Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by wirepuller on Thu May 05, 2016 9:45 am

So a couple things have happened since the last post!  There was a huge automotive antique swap meet in Red Deer last weekend and I found a '34 speedometer and some cool auxiliary gauges, which I have no idea what they came out of.  Any ideas?  I gave them the quick fit over the existing gauges, they are slightly larger than OEM, so it should be relatively smooth to make the switch.  My plan is disassemble the speedo, clean/polish it up and cut new glass for it.  I bought an extra gauge to pilfer the brass face to put into the fuel gauge, and give them a spit polish as well.  



I also, by gosh by golly, found an original service manual for YEG'R Bomb.  It should make a cool accessory thrown on the doghouse or dash when I go to car shows.



And most exciting of all!!!!  My steering parts have all finally arrived and been purchased.  Borgeson U-Joints, heim joints, flange bearing and some 3/4" cold rolled steel.  For now I am going to use the existing steering column mount as I haven't decided what I want to fabricate.



Fabricating should start within the next two weeks!! Pictures to follow.  Smile


WP
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vanny
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Re: Operation BREADBOX

Post by vanny on Thu May 05, 2016 3:51 pm

Score! I especially LOVE that speedo! Can't wait to see what they look like installed. cheers


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