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Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

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austinmodhouse

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by austinmodhouse on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:36 am

Ray, I dont think that will work unless you have a 9 rear end. if so, Ive heard its not that big of a deal to swap the gearing. best if you remove the axle and take into a truck axle shop as twin pilot said.

but if youve got the peanut rear end, you might consider to swap out to a 9.

I bought a 9 rear end from a scrap yard down there for $350.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:11 am

I have a 9" rear end, a refresher of my vans specs.

Here's what Mark came up with:

E14= Econoline regular van
T= 170 six
H= Lorain, Ohio assembly plant
567956=July, '64 build date ('64 model year)
090= wheelbase
M= Wimbledon white
E145= van
5=standard cab in red patterned vinyl
89= van body code
A= 3 speed manual
03= 4.11:1 ratio, 2700 lb. capacity, 9" rear
4850= Max. GVW
85= certified net horsepower
5600*= (3600) RPMs
72= San Jose District sales

I will see what shop around here can give me a good deal on changing the gears.
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austinmodhouse

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by austinmodhouse on Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:06 pm

score! that 9 inch will make it a lot easier to change the gearing. you should be able to look down and verify the 9" RE. it's a great upgrade over the peanut.

check this link to see what the 9 looks like, it's much beefier over the peanut.

http://www.circletrack.com/drivetraintech/ctrp_0811_rearend_gear_swap/photo_04.html
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Thu May 10, 2012 11:54 am

Dual master installed. A bit of work cutting out some of the metal to make it work per Dennis's instructions and decided to go with Grade 8 bolts because the original bolts with shot/stripped.

Still need to put on the new lines. So close to being done with the brakes!



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Post by Guest on Thu May 10, 2012 12:49 pm

ray what did it cost to convert your system if i may ask.thanks
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Thu May 10, 2012 1:26 pm

I keep every receipt so I can for the most part tell you all

D&D Basic Kit $289
D&D MasterCyl Kit $350
Rotors $50
Brake Hoses, Banjo Bolts and New Wheel Studs $70
Calipers $90
New wheel seals $10

I wound up having to take my hubs to a shop, I just could not get the damn studs out after beating them with a hammer forever I gave up. So average in a extra $25-50 for problems of goofs that may come up.

I have yet to apply the new brake lines and remote reservoir- Cost Unknown, but I will try and keep it under $70

All in all I will be right around $1000 when done. That includes tax, shipping parts etc. Most of that money is in the kit but you need the brackets to make this possible. The dual master cylinder is not a must, but more of a peace of mind. You need more brake fluid for disc.

It is not a cheap conversion, but it is well worth it in today's traffic conditions and road speeds. Keep in mind I bought all of this as new. You can save money with used condition rotors, calipers etc.

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Spank

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Spank on Sat May 12, 2012 10:37 am

I found the worst part of the kit to be mating the MC to the remote res. The provided rubber bushings and fittings that plug into the top of the MC never seat correctly and leak like a sieve. I finally welded two plates over the openings and tapped them to accept fittings. problem solved.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Sat May 12, 2012 2:25 pm

Thank Spank I will keep that in mind if I run into any problems.


Dry fitted new steel brake lines today. Everything fit well. All that's left to do is find what remote reservoir I want to use and run the lines to the top of the master cylinder. Also need to attach the new brake light switch that comes with D&D's kit.

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Barnabas on Sun May 13, 2012 9:54 am

That 4.11 rear axle is common to the Heavy-Duty Econolines. It's great when hauling heavy loads around town, but not so great on the highway. As mentioned a 3.5 would be better.

Larger diameter tires would help as well. You probably have 14" rims, but 15" rims will fit. And 14" tires are harder to find now. My 1964 Heavy-Duty Econoline came with the 4:11 rear, 170 engine, and 13" tires. That was not fun on the highway!

If you change the rear axle or tire size, you may want to change the speedometer gear in the transmission to make the speedometer read correctly.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Sun May 13, 2012 12:22 pm

Barnabas wrote:That 4.11 rear axle is common to the Heavy-Duty Econolines. It's great when hauling heavy loads around town, but not so great on the highway. As mentioned a 3.5 would be better.

Larger diameter tires would help as well. You probably have 14" rims, but 15" rims will fit. And 14" tires are harder to find now. My 1964 Heavy-Duty Econoline came with the 4:11 rear, 170 engine, and 13" tires. That was not fun on the highway!

If you change the rear axle or tire size, you may want to change the speedometer gear in the transmission to make the speedometer read correctly.

Good to know, I'm running 15" wheels now and will definately be changing those gears to a 3.5 ratio. I will Keep the speedo in mind.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Thu May 17, 2012 3:11 pm

Brakes are done! Lines are on and no longer leaking. Bled the front and the back and are ready to rock. Found a reservoir perfect for our econos using the dual master cylinder. Came off a early 90s nissan quest or mercury villager. they both had the exact same Nissan power plant.

As you can see in the pics, I ran one hose through the front and one through the rear of the Master Cylinder. No clearance issues and working great.

Final brake pics, still need to attach the reservoir to the dog house when it goes back in that is. Right now its zip tied to the E-Brake. Has two holes perfect for attaching to the side of the dog house.











On to the transmission, clutch, pressure plats etc...

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Twinpilot001

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Twinpilot001 on Thu May 17, 2012 4:31 pm

Great Work =Ray!! nice lines too- im curious as to if when you use your emergency brake-is that when you check the fluid?? hehe
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Thu May 17, 2012 4:50 pm

Thanks the lines came out pretty good.

Come on you don't like my temporary e brake zip tied reservoir, haha.

Hope to have the trans with new clutch and pressure plate, motor , radiator and dog house in by next week if not the next.

Got to find a clutch kit 1st.
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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Twinpilot001 on Thu May 17, 2012 5:11 pm

hehe i know -great work nice!
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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by sasktrini on Fri May 18, 2012 8:24 am

Excellent, Ray!
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Fri May 18, 2012 9:06 am

Thanks! Shes getting there.. Been sitting now for 2months. Cant wait to drive it again.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:00 am

Updates

End of May got the newly shaved flywheel, flipped ring gear, new clutch, pressure plate, bearings on and the motor is back in. Also got the clutch pivot ball bracket fabbed up and it seems like it will workout nicely.




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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:02 am

As of yesterday the new Champion 3row Aluminum rad is now also installed. :)Just need new hoses.



Will be running Soon!
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Big W

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Big W on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:44 pm

Looks good. That new rad looks good in there. Is it a 3 row or 4?
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:03 pm

i went with a 3 row. will be adding a electric fan as well. the dog house will be cooled easily from then on.

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:08 pm

Noticed that brass tube and T set up ... you putting an oil pressure safety cut off switch on that unit?
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:33 pm

i havnt , never thought about it. i added the brass so that i could keep both my oil pressure warning light and run my op guage. have never had any problems.

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:00 pm

makes sense ... when I had an electric fuel pump that's how I installed my kill switch for the pump.
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Rayallen

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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by Rayallen on Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:18 pm

Holy Shit! I just realized its been 5 months since the last time I drove my van. I need to get the 64 running. So close! going to San Diego July 6 so its going to have to wait until I get back but I miss driving my van. Can not wait to drive it with the new motor, radiator and disc brakes! going to be like driving it for the 1st time again.
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Re: Bought a 1964 Econoline today!

Post by donivan65 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:27 pm

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