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    Post by Scott Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:27 pm

    I'm replacing this old Fuse Block and am trying to figure out what gets power without the key, and what gets power when the key is in the on position. I can probably pour over the wire diagram for a couple of days, but hope some van veterans can rattle it off for me.
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    Post by donivan65 Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:26 pm

    What's next,,,,,you want us to come over and wire it for you?
    The horn, hazard lights, tail lights, stop lights and dome lights are hot all the time,,,,,,,
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    Post by Eagle1 Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:17 am

    Headlights too, Nice piece of wood!
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    Post by Scott Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:50 am

    Don, I'd consider buying you a plane ticket if I thouht you would do it.

    E1, Maybe I should list that wood as an 'EXTREMELY RARE! Antique Fuse Block' on eBay.

    Starting bid, $250.00

    Thanks for the info, I'll post the replacement when it's done.
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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:03 am

    Hahahaha... Sorry Scott, you kinda did ask to get nailed by Don for asking that question! Cool


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    Post by Scott Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:10 am

    Yeah, I'm am being kind of lazy.

    But I figured other members that had already done this would be able throw the information out there, that it would be good info for the site, and that Don has probably done this fifty times.

    He should just be happy that I don't live next door..
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    Post by DanTheVanMan Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:24 am

    I think he's happy we all don't live next door! We would drive him nuts! But you look like your wiring has be completely redone so you'll need to hit the diagrams if you plan on putting in a stock or aftermarket fuse block. Other than the obvious fact that you have a... 'EXTREMELY RARE! Antique Fuse Block'. Why are you replacing it? Is it not working or do you want to return it to stock?


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    Post by Eagle1 Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:34 am

    https://sites.google.com/site/vcvcvanaticmap/colorizied-wiring-for-a-2nd-gen-chevy-van
    Scott, here is a link to a 67-70 wiring diagram for your van.
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    Post by Scott Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:40 am

    I replaced all wire coming from the doghouse and need to tie it into the wiring under the dash. This old wire job looks like a fire hazard, or at least something that's going to leave me stranded. So I'm getting rid of it before it becomes a problem.

    I cut down a plastic cutting board I bought at Walmart and mounted a couple of fuse strips I bought from a local swap meet. My plan is to put magnets on the back so I can just stick it to the wall under the dash, and make the wires long enough so I can just pull it off the wall and out where I can see it.
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    Post by Eagle1 Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:46 am

    Scott,
    What kind of fuse block did you use? Did you buy a wiring harness? If so what kind? I will be rewiring my van next. I think I am going to use a EZ wiring harness
    http://www.ezwiring.com/wiring_harness.html
    $170.00
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    Post by donivan65 Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:24 am

    Here is a picture of a REAL 2nd Gen fuse box,,,,,,and I sure am liking this Mazda one for the future. Those glass fuses are trouble. You go to Pick a Part and you can see many good ones sitting under the hood just waiting for you to take them off. The headlights have their own circuit breaker built into the switch,,,,,,and you need to add fusible links to make your system even safer,,,,,,,


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    Post by wideload Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:11 pm

    Scott you might want to consider this option. GP70 did this swap on his a few years back. This is from one of his post from the old forum.

    I had the opportunity to grab some parts off a 73 or 74 Chevy Pickup a few months ago and one of the things I grabbed
    was the fuse box. The fuse holding tabs are rusted thru and hardle make contact anymore. Didn't give a good look
    but thought I could draft it into the 70 somehow. Well, yesterday I take a look at it and, son of a b***h, if it isn't a direct
    match to the one on the 70. Talk about lucking out. There will be some splicing involved, but if anyone is looking for a
    new fusebox for their Sec. Gen., look no fiurther then a 73 pickup. And I suppose you could grab as much of the wiring
    harness out of a 73 and keep the splicing down to a minimum.

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    Post by Scott Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:25 am

    Thanks for all the info, I remembered that the same fuse block was used in a pickup, but couldn't remember the year. I also bought a fuse block from a Vanner parting a van out, but it's too rusty. But I picked some fuse blocks up at a local Swap Meet that should work pretty good. Here is what they looked like when I got em.
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    I am at the point on the van were it's odds and ends all over the place. During the last few days I've spend most of my time working out the sifter linkage, installed a flexible transmission dipstick, and have picked at the wiring a few times. Later today I'll post what I've done so far with the new fuse block.
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:02 am

    In my book, you aint gaining much by putting a 1973 fuse box into a 1968,,,,,,those glass type fuse systems corrode easily and those rivets come loose. They run hot and the clips loosen up and rust out. Choose something newer,,,,,,,,,,
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    Post by donivan65 Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:56 am

    Ok Scott,,,,,,you want EASY?????? Just screw in a Ford headlight switch and hook up a few wires,,,,,,,,,,,


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    Post by Scott Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:35 am

    I dug through the Wire Diagram, and a rusty Fuse Block, and figured out what goes to what, and if its always on or switched.

    This was modeled off of a 68 G10

    Constant Power from 12g Red (Also directly feeds the Horn, Ignition Switch and Light Switch)
    _Flasher_ _16g__Brown_ _Column_
    _Fuse_ _16g__Orange_ _Light Switch_
    _Fuse_ _18g__Orange_ _Stop Lamp Switch_

    Constant Power feed from Light Switch 16 Dark Green
    _Fuse_ 20g__Gray_ _Dash Illumination Lights_

    Switched Power feed from Ignition Switch 12 Pink (or Brown)
    _Fuse_ _18g__Pink (or Dark Green)_ _Dash Light Indicators_
    _Fuse_ _14g__Brown_ _Heater_
    _Fuse_ _18g__Dark Green (or Pink)_ _Backup Light Switch (Side of Transmission)_
    _Fuse_ _18g__Yellow_ _Windshield Wipers_
    _Flasher_ _18g__Purple_ _Column_
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    Post by Scott Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:50 am

    What size fuses are used for each of these?

    Is it based on wire gauge, what its powering, or both?
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    Post by G-Man Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:20 am

    There use to be wiring diagram here and that should say what fuse
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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:33 pm

    Fuses should protect the wire. To really dial it in you need to know what the load is from each item on any circiut. I got this from a quickie google search for an example. http://www.oznium.com/forum/topic15761 It also makes a difference on how long the wire is going to travel, stuff in the dash not so far,, If its traveling to the back of the DH wire size would need to be adjusted to allow for that. I know I have found better tables for this but they didnt pop up this time .. scratch
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    Post by Scott Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:31 pm

    My Wire Diagrams show that the Windshield Wiper power wire is a Yellow 20 Gauge, but that seems like a pretty thin wire for the wiper motor. Do y'all show a different wire gauge for this one?
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    Post by Digz Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:21 pm

    On the 1st gen diagram I have it also shows a 20ga. Does seem pretty lite??
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    Post by veefre Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:32 pm

    I went through the fuse box resuscitation about a year ago on my '67.

    Water dripping down from the leaky windshield (rust?) had done a number on it. I applied copious amounts of electromotive spray cleaner, which unfortunately had the side effect of making most of the labeling invisible or at least hard to read.

    Then I pulled all the fuses and sanded or fine filed the contacts free of most rust. Then I added copious amounts of silicone grease to the terminals. Back in went the glass fuses (new in most cases) and haven't had much of a problem since. Until I replace the windshield and gasket and fix whatever else is causing the leaking, I try to keep it out of the rain.

    Good to see a pick of the '73 fuse box because it gives me an idea of what the labels are supposed to be...

    Eventually, I may go to the blade type mini or micro fuses. But for right now the glass is ok. Any water on a fuse box is bad news, and while I suppose the aluminum legs on the mini fuses are more resistant to corrosion than the chrome plated steel on the glass fuses, I figure as long as the glass stays dry it should be OK. And aluminum can corrode in water, as well, forming that nasty white powder.

    You mileage may vary.
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    Post by panelmanrd Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:33 pm

    one thing you could try to keep the corrosion and rust to a min,
    get some de-electric grease, same thing as the light bulb grease
    and lightly coat all the contacts in the fuse box and the fuses, if
    it works on the light bulbs it sould work on the fuses. what u think?
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    Post by veefre Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:48 pm

    Silicone grease == dielectric grease
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